Appendix K non homologated?

[Stakhanov]

App K contains reference to "non homologated" cars. Is this designed to be a catch all for historics? It refers to proof of competition history at national level, and tech regs. Has anyone made such an application to the FIA and succeeded? Seems pointless to have this provision unless the FIA is prepared to allow non homologated cars to compete. From what I've seen at Angouleme even unhomologated Lotus 7s can race. I have a car model, unhomologated by the factory, with significant race success at a national level in the 70s and 80s and I'd like to be able to compete in FIA events, all advice appreciated.
Tunnocks Tea cake for guessing the car in question....

[Mike Bell]

AFAIK you can get HTP papers but the onus of proof with regard to period specification is down to you. If you can't offer enough factual evidence that car was fitted with XYZ then you are stuck. There are quite a few 'one off' cars competing out there that presumably have HTPs, so maybe you need to talk to the owner of one or two.

If you do get papers, which category the car is then declared is down to FIA, and this could ultimately effect what races you can do in it. Then it is down to series organisers to make a decision.

Hope I've made sense......

[Brian A]

From my understanding, you need to find proof that the car competed at international level in period. National race history will not get you FIA HTP papers.

You could talk to one of the people appointed by the MSA to vet HTP applications - they're familiar with what is and isn't allowed. But without an international pedigree, you're very unlikely to be allowed to run in FIA type events (the exception seems to be Goodwood - if they like the car, HTP papers are not relevent)

[Clive Brown]

Originally Posted by Stakhanov

Tunnocks Tea cake for guessing the car in question....

Ginetta G15.

[Stakhanov]

[QUOTE=Brian A;3146504]From my understanding, you need to find proof that the car competed at international level in period. National race history will not get you FIA HTP papers.

Yes, but if that's the case- what's the point in this section:-

2.3.11.1 Models of production road-going Sports / Grand Touring cars from periods E to J which have no competition history at international level but which have established a significant competition history at national level in major events for production sport and/or grand touring cars and which comply with the national regulations relevant to those events.

Yes it's a G15...

[Mike Bell]

I believe although App K focused on International race status history there are exceptions, and the paragraph would suggest that also.

My 1965 Gilbern GT1800 was granted HTP papers although we were not able to offer proof of a similar model competing in International status events in period. The model was however, homologated and competed at a lower level.

As Brian says, a chat with an MSA inspector would I'm sure clarify the situation with your G15.

So Clive gets the tea cake, then!

[Clive Brown]

I claim my Tunnocks Tea Cake.....

[pigiron22]

I realise this thread was started a couple of years ago, but would be very interested to hear how the OP got on?

[Normal Bloke]

[QUOTE=Stakhanov;3146647]

Originally Posted by Brian A

From my understanding, you need to find proof that the car competed at international level in period. National race history will not get you FIA HTP papers.

Yes, but if that's the case- what's the point in this section:-

2.3.11.1 Models of production road-going Sports / Grand Touring cars from periods E to J which have no competition history at international level but which have established a significant competition history at national level in major events for production sport and/or grand touring cars and which comply with the national regulations relevant to those events.

Yes it's a G15...

Bugger! I gave up waiting for the impossible 6 months ago and sold my G15. Just my luck!

[terence]

Had a four year battle trying to get HTPs on an ex-works HRG. International proof of the 1947 Spa 24 hr-photographic and otherwise, (no mechanical mods of any description) But, the body was changed for a two seat sports car in alloy in 1952.In this form the car has a huge national racing history,for which one inspector granted the papers.
Only to be withdrawn because some other inspector did not agree on the history provided.After numerous letters, phone calls and emails we got the papers re instated!! Moral of the story being that it depends on the inspectors contacts with the FIA

[Stakhanov]

Originally Posted by pigiron22

I realise this thread was started a couple of years ago, but would be very interested to hear how the OP got on?

Hi not a lot of progress I'm afraid, I did speak to Marcus Pye a few months ago and he was to speak with some of his contacts but I've not heard since. Separately it seems G15s wil not be allowed to race in the small class of the Scottish Historics at Knockhill, but rather stuck in a catch all class up to 2000cc so looks like the 80s repeating, when they were excluded from prodsports