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Old 20 Jun 2003, 05:20 (Ref:637250)   #51
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I think they can better concentrate in building a LMP2/LM750 car because this class is weak. It their car is reliable than maybe they get a podium finish at Le Mans in this class.
That's the point for ACO : having a special category for small pennyless teams... not a so bad idea... I can't make me an idea on this, I keep on prefering DBAs and MGs to WRs and Reynards... I can't help it... and my favourite is the new Courage C65 (estheticaly, I mean !)...
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 12:14 (Ref:637534)   #52
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To be honoust I think if Norma builds a LM750 car they are probably also slow compared to DBA and MG.
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 12:16 (Ref:637536)   #53
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Theres a picture of Normas new LMP750 (LMP2) car in Autosport.
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 12:18 (Ref:637537)   #54
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To be honoust I think if Norma builds a LM750 car they are probably also slow compared to DBA and MG.

I agree the small Courage is ok only that JPX engine needs more development. But Mechachrome is involved so I think they get that engine reliable.
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 12:28 (Ref:637548)   #55
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But DBA and especially MG will not go to LMP750. DBA will be turned into an LMP900 (LMP1), while MG will be granfatehered into LMP1.
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 17:00 (Ref:637796)   #56
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What I ment to say that the Norma will be slower than the best teams in the LM750 class.

I didn't know the DBA will tranformed to a LM900. Why not transforming to a LM750?
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 17:13 (Ref:637809)   #57
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What I ment to say that the Norma will be slower than the best teams in the LM750 class.

I didn't know the DBA will tranformed to a LM900. Why not transforming to a LM750?
DBAs been homologated for LMP900 and LMP675. Teams who want to race for overall wins, i.e. DBA are likely to race in LMP900/LMP1 in the future while those only interested in class wins would go to LMP750/LMP2.
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 18:58 (Ref:637895)   #58
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From the images I saw of the Norma LMP2 (750 kg), it looks very low-tech in its design...very simplistic...

Maybe they'll see a few of them...we'll see...
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 19:04 (Ref:637900)   #59
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They have already Norma M20 CM/CN car:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sportracer/Norma%20M%2020.htm
Tim: Do you mean this car?????

If yes: But a CN car isn't the same as LMP2 car. Or is it?
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 19:20 (Ref:637910)   #60
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I saw that car on the Norma site when I was surfing around the other day...Is that their LMP2???

If it is, it is very low-tech....I don't know if it is or not...
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 19:22 (Ref:637911)   #61
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Their CN car is 520 kg. I haven't looked at the specs, but I'm sure it won't meet LMP requirements.

What exactly is CN?
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 19:37 (Ref:637921)   #62
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On Norma's website www.sportproto.com I can't find anything about a LMP2 car. Only about the LM900 and CN/CM car.
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Old 20 Jun 2003, 21:17 (Ref:638029)   #63
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The new LMP750/LMP2 is based on the CN cars chassis and in the pictures I've seen looks a little like a mini Dallara.
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Old 21 Jun 2003, 14:27 (Ref:638460)   #64
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DBAs been homologated for LMP900 and LMP675. Teams who want to race for overall wins, i.e. DBA are likely to race in LMP900/LMP1 in the future while those only interested in class wins would go to LMP750/LMP2.
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John Nielsen raced with a Dome in the past. Is this Dome still in the garage of Nielsen? If yes, why not using the Dome instead of an upgraded DBA LM675 car? The RfH Dome (with aerodynamic upgrades) was succesfull at Le Mans last few years.
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Old 21 Jun 2003, 14:39 (Ref:638464)   #65
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isn't the 'Nielsen' Dome the car that Kondo ran last year? If so then it's either still with Kondo (did they run the same chassis this year or a new one) or with Hugh Chamberlain (who ran the car in some late season ALMS races with Milka Duno on board)
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Old 21 Jun 2003, 15:00 (Ref:638489)   #66
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Old 21 Jun 2003, 17:59 (Ref:638617)   #67
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The nielson car, I believe, was that run by Chamberlain last year. I'm not sure if the 2003 Kondo car is the same car upgraded to 2003 spec or a new chassis.

The DBAs shown it has the pace in LMP675 (probably quicker than an MG), and I believe would be very quick in LMP900 spec. If the DBA ever did race as a LMP900/LMP1, I would expect it would be completly reworked for the 2004 regs rather than a current LMP900 spec car grandfathered into LMP1, as say a current Audi R8 would be.

The DBA/Reynard is currently the subject of interest from a new company looking to buy the rights to the car in order to sell customer versions in LMP675/LMP2 and LMP900/LMP1 spec. depending on demand.

The company in question, I beleive, is different to the one who originally bought the Reynard/DBA rights and built the first car, currently being run by John Nielsons team.
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Old 21 Jun 2003, 18:30 (Ref:638630)   #68
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All the rights of Reynard were bought by Paul Shakespeare from International Racing Management after they went bankrupt. So you think IRM sells the rights to another firm? What's your source?
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Old 21 Jun 2003, 20:28 (Ref:638683)   #69
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The story may well have been about Shakespear, can't remember

But there plan is to build customer cars, as both LMP675/LMP2 and LMP900/LMP1.

Check DSC, the story may be on there.
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Slightly off-topic, I was just reading on the BBC News site about Denis Thatcher and noticed the following picture of Mark Thatcher (presumably after his Paris-Daker 'adventure'), is that a Norma t-shirt he's wearing?
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Old 26 Jun 2003, 14:50 (Ref:643798)   #72
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Difficult to see but it looks like Norma.

The Norma is slower than slow but according to the amount of replies on this topic it's a populair car!
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i still don't think people can get over how slow it was!
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Old 26 Jun 2003, 18:03 (Ref:643946)   #74
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Have they finished the race yet?
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Old 26 Jun 2003, 19:40 (Ref:644041)   #75
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Since South Florida is a great place to "Retire" (at least a lot of Snow Birds think it is), team Sezio and that Norma are returning to the right place....
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