Ferrari goes for the nose?

senna12 · 19 Jan 2004, 02:40 (Ref:842887)

Same idea, slightly different interpretation. Will this cause Renault or McLaren to rethink things, or is it a little late for that, considering the body shape would have to change too.

Or is this just a doctored photo that means nothing?
Courtesy of the prancinghorse.co.uk

gttouring · 19 Jan 2004, 03:10 (Ref:842893)

intersting photo- but i feel this is a left field sort of speculative job there.
perhaps they will use a trimaran nose or a heavy mustacchio type appearance, but that shape does not seem to impart any strength to the design as the horizontal section of the wing support would likely have trouble at 90 degrees I feel.
but I am not a wind tunnel and multiple forces expert, i am just a simple run of the mill genius

Wrex · 19 Jan 2004, 03:11 (Ref:842894)

Hmmm, another one.

Whats the deal here? Why all of a sudden do we have teams going for a different wing?

PS not as bad as the Williams, but still pretty ugly

ascarracinguk · 19 Jan 2004, 03:26 (Ref:842904)

i think it looks worse than the williams...at lest williams went the whole way....the ferrari idea is neither here nor there

gttouring · 19 Jan 2004, 04:05 (Ref:842918)

wait this is not the REAL nose is it?
becuase that photo looks Shopped and doctored for certain, are you really buying into it? how realiable is Prancing horse.co.uk anyway?

Wrex · 19 Jan 2004, 04:38 (Ref:842942)

It would be a first for Ferrari to reveal the car before the launch.

**GTRMagic** · 19 Jan 2004, 05:26 (Ref:842972)

Doesnt mean its not a variation on the 2003 car... something to try and see if it works. 20,000km of testing a season, they must do something other than wearout countless sets of Bridgestones!

Led ZeppF1 · 19 Jan 2004, 06:15 (Ref:843007)

Senna12, nice photoshop work.

Actually, the nose of new Ferrari contender is conventional, is narrower and low nose.

Look:

https://www.owners.ferrari.com/cgi-b...01_0_login.jsp

avsfan733 · 19 Jan 2004, 22:07 (Ref:843219)

thats almost surely the 2003 car undre a red tarp because they wouldn't be wasting time on photo ops of the new car yet

Knowlesy · 19 Jan 2004, 23:11 (Ref:843299)

Looks like the 2000 car under the covers there!

Mackmot · 19 Jan 2004, 23:32 (Ref:843316)

Definately photshopped the light's all wrong and everything

Jay · 19 Jan 2004, 23:36 (Ref:843322)

It's a generic F1 car form - I've seen it on other websites with a different colour for the tarp. The nose on that car isn't even right for last year's Ferrari or the one before that...

The above car is almost certainly a photoshop project... besides the problems with the lighting and perspective, the rest of the car (including all decals) are exactly identical to the 2003 car. It's unlikely that they'd have the car prepped up like that just to test new parts - or even a whole new car.

avsfan733 · 20 Jan 2004, 00:07 (Ref:843376)

single most glaring photoshop detail is the shadow from the wing supports on the "new" wing

senna12 · 20 Jan 2004, 03:11 (Ref:843509)

Sheeesh, I'm sorry I brought it up!

If you care to rag some more, please go to prancinghorse.co.uk, as I had nothing to do with it.

Jay · 20 Jan 2004, 04:22 (Ref:843540)

No need to apologise - always good to see what people are thinking of

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Led ZeppF1 · 21 Jan 2004, 04:06 (Ref:844945)

Maybe, the tusks in new Ferrari not photoshop work.

Jean Todt reveal that Ferrari 2004, due to be designated as the 655, will have a front wing that could surprise everyone.

http://www.eurosport.com/pages/V3/sp...415&Gener=true

grumpy1 · 21 Jan 2004, 20:31 (Ref:845849)

Ferrari insiders have stated they tried this idea a couple of years ago but shelved it because they could not get it to work.They also said if Williams get it to work they will look at it again.Williams have got it to work so we wait and see.(Info from F1live.com arcives 04)

The Grumpy1

Pit_Lane_Babe · 21 Jan 2004, 21:18 (Ref:845896)

Well the photo looks a bit off to me. To be honest I can not see a whole lot of difference here. Considering Ferrari is claiming that "it will have a front wing that could surprise everyone"

Led ZeppF1 · 22 Jan 2004, 09:34 (Ref:846548)

Quote:

Originally posted by grumpy1
Ferrari insiders have stated they tried this idea a couple of years ago but shelved it because they could not get it to work.

So, Antonia Terzi (former Ferrari aerodinamyst) brought this idea to Williams, got it work, and promoted as chief of aero department?

Just kidding.

Now seriously, I read that some others teams (like Renault) also stated they tried this idea, and shelved bacause not work. And for Williams, Geoff Willis said similar explanation, tried this idea but not work.

So, apparently its need thousands hour in Williams's windtunnel to make it work.

Try Hard · 22 Jan 2004, 10:21 (Ref:846602)

It's not so much the serodynamic constraints, more a case of getting the (massively) shorter nose section to pass the crash tests. The idea would have worked aerodynamically ages ago, but it wouldn't have been legal.
But now due to advancements in materials engineering, they can make the nose section strong enough to pass the test, even with the reduced length. Even Patrick Head himself said one reason they looked at it again this year was because they didn't require the full nose length to pass last year.

Of course, the concept will still have needed refinement in the 'tunnel though....

Ed

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