Young drivers test

Formulahistory · 15 Jun 2013, 09:11 (Ref:3262950)

That's what I understand:

Red Bull: Antonio Felix da Costa
Ferrari: Raffaele Marciello, Davide Rigon
McLaren: Kevin Magnussen, Stoffel Vandoorne
Lotus: Davide Valsecchi, Nicolas Prost
Mercedes: Sam Bird
Sauber: Robin Frijns
Force India: James Calado, Luiz Razia
Williams: Daniel Juncadella, Susie Wolff
Toro Rosso: Carlos Sainz jr., Stefano Coletti
Caterham: Alexander Rossi, Sergio Canamasas
Marussia: Rodolfo Gonzalez, Tio Ellinas

p-matt · 15 Jun 2013, 19:45 (Ref:3263125)

Some interesting names there.

No Paffett or Turvey at McLaren? I know Paffett doing the Young Driver Tests is an utter joke, but I would have expected that Oli Turvey would have had a day?

Force India have an interesting pair. Razia doesn't surprise me that much, but Calado certainly does. Good for him. It's actually a great fit - Force India have definitely picked up a few decent drivers without the money for FI like James. Are either of these 2 official reserve drivers for FI? Was expecting Conor Daly to get some time in the Force India.

Williams - So there is truth in the Astana / Mercedes rumour then in terms of Juncadella. I hope he's taken into the Williams fold like Bottas, Hulkenberg and Rosberg were. Although he's not nearly as good as any of them.

Toro Rosso - Surprised Coletti is in again this year. I know he leads GP2 but didn't Red Bull drop him a long time ago? And where's Kvyat? He's definitely stepped up his game over the last few months.

Beetle · 15 Jun 2013, 19:47 (Ref:3263126)

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Originally Posted by p-matt

Some interesting names there.

No Paffett or Turvey at McLaren? I know Paffett doing the Young Driver Tests is an utter joke, but I would have expected that Oli Turvey would have had a day?

Force India have an interesting pair. Razia doesn't surprise me that much, but Calado certainly does. Good for him. It's actually a great fit - Force India have definitely picked up a few decent drivers without the money for FI like James. Are either of these 2 official reserve drivers for FI? Was expecting Conor Daly to get some time in the Force India.

Williams - So there is truth in the Astana / Mercedes rumour then in terms of Juncadella. I hope he's taken into the Williams fold like Bottas, Hulkenberg and Rosberg were. Although he's not nearly as good as any of them.

Toro Rosso - Surprised Coletti is in again this year. I know he leads GP2 but didn't Red Bull drop him a long time ago? And where's Kvyat? He's definitely stepped up his game over the last few months.

He's doing the ELMS full-time with Jota... doing the 24 Hours of Le Mans, too. I think he's pretty much done with open-wheel racing.

**bella** · 15 Jun 2013, 21:07 (Ref:3263153)

it's often not to do with whether they're done with formula stuff, it's more to do with "simulation calibration" and other such technicalities.

Mekola · 16 Jun 2013, 00:10 (Ref:3263212)

Regalia was expected here for the tests, but it seems not...

Beryl · 16 Jun 2013, 00:18 (Ref:3263217)

They're giving the likes of Prost, Wolff and Canamasas tests, but not Nasr. That's a joke, even for the standards of these things in the past.

p-matt · 16 Jun 2013, 12:00 (Ref:3263373)

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Originally Posted by Mekola

Regalia was expected here for the tests, but it seems not...

With whom?

Agree on Nasr, but he has no link to an F1 team so I guess it isn't that surprising.

Formulahistory · 16 Jun 2013, 12:02 (Ref:3263374)

It's not a full list.

It's possible that Regalia and Daly will join Force India.

**chunterer** · 19 Jun 2013, 13:41 (Ref:3264860)

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Originally Posted by Beryl

They're giving the likes of Prost, Wolff and Canamasas tests, but not Nasr. That's a joke, even for the standards of these things in the past.

I'll bet Enstone will be looking at testing out a few more wallets than those 3 as well.

**bella** · 19 Jun 2013, 13:46 (Ref:3264863)

wish they'd flippin' well test sorensen, at least they've let stockinger have a few demo runs.

MGDavid · 19 Jun 2013, 18:39 (Ref:3265023)

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Originally Posted by Formulahistory

...... Susie Wolff........

a joke on at least two counts ;-)

jobdone · 20 Jun 2013, 15:35 (Ref:3265509)

Does anyone know if there's public access to this? I maintain F1 testing is the best way to watch the cars in action! Cars on track from 9-5 (barring the lunch break), and awesome value for money! I greatly miss the test days they had before the ban came into effect!

Mekola · 20 Jun 2013, 22:20 (Ref:3265760)

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Originally Posted by Formulahistory

It's possible that Regalia and Daly will join Force India.

That's it. Campos authorized Regalia to say he's seeking the funding for the Force India test.

wnut · 21 Jun 2013, 00:44 (Ref:3265840)

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Originally Posted by jobdone

Does anyone know if there's public access to this? I maintain F1 testing is the best way to watch the cars in action! Cars on track from 9-5 (barring the lunch break), and awesome value for money! I greatly miss the test days they had before the ban came into effect!

Agreed! Testing was great!

Used to have free access to the pits too!
Also got to see new and interesting innovations!

Marbot · 21 Jun 2013, 09:09 (Ref:3265958)

Sam Bird will perhaps be somewhat disappointed if Merc has its way at the tribunal.

I suspect that these 'young' drivers will be judged more on their capacity to not hit anything or run off into gravel traps etc, rather than how quick they can go.

Yes, testing was great, but very, very expensive! But we definitely need more testing, I don't think that there is any doubt about that.

jobdone · 21 Jun 2013, 13:43 (Ref:3266071)

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Originally Posted by wnut

Agreed! Testing was great!

Used to have free access to the pits too!
Also got to see new and interesting innovations!

Ah you see I only ever got pit access when I joined the Silverstone Racing Club!

Although I remember being excited as heck when the security guard let me under the tunnel at Copse once and I managed to get onto the infield and find some cracking viewing areas.

wnut · 22 Jun 2013, 03:25 (Ref:3266301)

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Originally Posted by jobdone

Ah you see I only ever got pit access when I joined the Silverstone Racing Club!

Although I remember being excited as heck when the security guard let me under the tunnel at Copse once and I managed to get onto the infield and find some cracking viewing areas.

Being able to go through the pits makes racing a far more rewarding experience. I am really surprised that that F1 has not arranged a raised walkway in any of their new venues where people could get a insight into what happens in the pits.

I suppose it is just the general ethos of those in charge that the fans are just mugs who should be fleeced for every last penny that can be squeezed out of them. c.f. Pay TV.

wnut · 22 Jun 2013, 03:33 (Ref:3266302)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Sam Bird will perhaps be somewhat disappointed if Merc has its way at the tribunal.

I suspect that these 'young' drivers will be judged more on their capacity to not hit anything or run off into gravel traps etc, rather than how quick they can go.

Yes, testing was great, but very, very expensive! But we definitely need more testing, I don't think that there is any doubt about that.

What really bothers me about no testing is the "run what you brung" mentality that it promotes.

This particularly applies to McLaren this year who have admitted that their new car is a giant leap backwards. They cannot run last years car because it has not done this years safety tests, and they are unable to fix this years car because of the testing and chassis modification rules.
How is this scenario fair on their sponsors?
How is this fair on the viewing public?
How is it fair on any of the McLaren stakeholders?

I believe Mercedes has suffered mightily with this problem over the past 3 years.

Knowlesy · 22 Jun 2013, 11:57 (Ref:3266442)

Perhaps McLaren should try building a better car to start with.

But I would prefer unlimited testing myself.

Mekola · 23 Jun 2013, 14:15 (Ref:3268362)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Sam Bird will perhaps be somewhat disappointed if Merc has its way at the tribunal.

Merc could compensate Bird with enough backing to race the entire current GP2 season with no budget constraints.

**Peter Mallett** · 23 Jun 2013, 14:34 (Ref:3268376)

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Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Perhaps McLaren should try building a better car to start with.

A valid argument. Then again the costs involved in guessing one's way to a great design, quite possibly equate to a season of testing anyway. As I recall the problem with testing was the dedicated test teams and the additional cost thereof. So, why not allow the race teams to test?

Alfaholic · 1 Jul 2013, 19:43 (Ref:3272591)

Latest news on this is that all 3 days at Silverstone are open to the public. Advance tickets on sale on the Silverstone website at £15 per day. No information on what parts of the circuit are open for viewing yet, but an "entertainment court" is being laid on at Woodcote.

http://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/...epslanguage=en

Also race drivers now permitted to test at the event, not just young drivers

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108493

Knowlesy · 1 Jul 2013, 21:18 (Ref:3272634)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

A valid argument. Then again the costs involved in guessing one's way to a great design, quite possibly equate to a season of testing anyway. As I recall the problem with testing was the dedicated test teams and the additional cost thereof. So, why not allow the race teams to test?

An easy way would be to stay at tracks after the GP and do a test there. Obviously this can't be done on temporary circuits and between back-to-back races. But that still leaves plenty.

Hawkwood · 6 Jul 2013, 10:30 (Ref:3274540)

With the race drivers now allowed to take part in this test will the young drivers still get the running they were originally set for?

Mekola · 6 Jul 2013, 16:58 (Ref:3274626)

Yes. But not all testing days.

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