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Old 11 Sep 2017, 14:42 (Ref:3766070)   #126
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Watched all three days on the box from the comfort of my lounge, and enjoyed most of it. The race commentary team was excellent as usual, especially as at times they couldn't even see what was going on on-track due to the rain/spray.

However, the best day for me was the Friday which seemed to be far more focused on the track action, whilst the weekend had far too much of the non racing stuff - frocks and hairdos are not really my bag.

As to Chris Ward, he did seem to appear to be quite contrite after he stepped out of the car and was standing in the pits. His driving did seem to be uncharacteristic of him.
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Old 11 Sep 2017, 15:31 (Ref:3766078)   #127
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It was a bit of a shame when they interviewed one of the bike guys who said the Manx Norton that won was only built last year.
I was a bit confused by that one, I thought Lord March wouldn't allow fakes at the Revival, well apart from quite a lot of the cars racing this weekend.
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Old 11 Sep 2017, 15:36 (Ref:3766079)   #128
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Yes, when they were building the new lightweight e types I am sure he categorically said that no continuation cars would race at Goodwood......
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Old 11 Sep 2017, 15:44 (Ref:3766082)   #129
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Watched all three days on the box from the comfort of my lounge, and enjoyed most of it. The race commentary team was excellent as usual, especially as at times they couldn't even see what was going on on-track due to the rain/spray.

However, the best day for me was the Friday which seemed to be far more focused on the track action, whilst the weekend had far too much of the non racing stuff - frocks and hairdos are not really my bag.

As to Chris Ward, he did seem to appear to be quite contrite after he stepped out of the car and was standing in the pits. His driving did seem to be uncharacteristic of him.
I don't know Chris Ward, but as I said in my earlier post, I was appalled at his driving (apart from the car control) in the E-Type. I also seem to remember him being a bit 'robust' in the PMG Rover at the members Meeting?
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Old 11 Sep 2017, 15:45 (Ref:3766083)   #130
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>>>>> It always used to be, ignore the flag for three laps and you were excluded.

A friend of mine was excluded for this. Not just for the race but the whole meeting. He had extenuating circumstances but that was it - go home, young man.

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Old 11 Sep 2017, 16:05 (Ref:3766088)   #131
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I don't know Chris Ward, but as I said in my earlier post, I was appalled at his driving (apart from the car control) in the E-Type. I also seem to remember him being a bit 'robust' in the PMG Rover at the members Meeting?
Hmm I confess I haven't seen any "robust" driving from him at the MM. That said my co driver could be accused of that. Although we calmed him down this year.

The Fordwater incident reminded me of the coming together between Tiff and David Clarke driving the Camaro.

It's a shame that amongst those of us interested the driving in that one race has possibly coloured our view of the event.
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Old 11 Sep 2017, 16:09 (Ref:3766089)   #132
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I recall the winning car of the 2016 Goodwood Whitsun Trophy, a Lotus 19, beeing offered a few weeks after the event on Racecarsdirect as a replica, newly built. They actually made the point in the advert that it was so quick because it was a new car built with the latest expertise BUT within the rules.

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At the time, I was very much surprised that a replica like that was allowed in.

perhaps i was naive......

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Old 11 Sep 2017, 16:16 (Ref:3766092)   #133
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Old 11 Sep 2017, 16:33 (Ref:3766100)   #134
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At the time, I was very much surprised that a replica like that was allowed in.

perhaps i was naive......

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Perhaps the brother of the rider of the Norton was being a bit too honest and saying more than he was meant to.
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Old 11 Sep 2017, 16:34 (Ref:3766101)   #135
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Nostalgia about a race meeting whose USP is nostalgia? That is a bit meta for me.

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Perhaps the brother of the rider of the Norton was being a bit too honest and saying more than he was meant to.

Nope,
Walmsley advertise the fact

and there is a discussion in the 500 F3 club as to what level of Norton engine development is allowed into the cars and what not.

You can go for ultra short stroke and get more power, for instance


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Oh! I was a Donington for the CSCC meeting, eat your heart out Delta.
Didn't come and say "Hello" did you ?

I could have given you a free ticket if you'd said you were going........
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Didn't come and say "Hello" did you ?

I could have given you a free ticket if you'd said you were going........
Us Media types don't need handouts thank you very much.

Lancs, yes it would have been nice too say hello, I should have advertise my presence earlier.

Were you competing or just hanging about?

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I recall the winning car of the 2016 Goodwood Whitsun Trophy, a Lotus 19, beeing offered a few weeks after the event on Racecarsdirect as a replica, newly built. They actually made the point in the advert that it was so quick because it was a new car built with the latest expertise BUT within the rules.

https://racecarsdirect.com/Advert/De...ttp-recreation

At the time, I was very much surprised that a replica like that was allowed in.

perhaps i was naive......

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Lancs, yes it would have been nice too say hello, I should have advertise my presence earlier.

Were you competing or just hanging about?

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Did the car sell Rue, we have a real one in our workshop. We are rewiring then the owner want to sell.

I have no idea, if it sold and then for how much

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Assuming the GTO is an old, not a new car its clearly been developed to keep pace with the new cars.
Well, it's the car that won the 1963 TT driven by Graham Hill so yes it's definitely not a new one. But it has been developed pretty thoroughly.

On the subject of replicas, they have been permitted at the Revival for some time. I'm fairly sure that both the F1 Dinos in the Richmond Trophy are continuation/replica cars as is one of the DBR4s and the Lancia D50. Attitudes to this have changed: back in the day several drivers including Neil Corner and de Cadenet boycotted a historic meeting due to the arrival of Anthony Bamford's replica F1 Dinos. Now they are all 'happily' share the same grid.
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I was inferring that one might put the real one in ones private museum and build a replica to race . . . more common than one might imagine given that its probably cheaper to do than crashing/trashing and repairing something worth millions. genuine GT40 £2m? COntinuation £2000k? 4 pop rivets for chassis plate 50p? same for cobras, e types, listers elans, TVR's etc etc.

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Well, it's the car that won the 1963 TT driven by Graham Hill so yes it's definitely not a new one. But it has been developed pretty thoroughly.

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I was inferring that one might put the real one in ones private museum and build a replica to race . . . more common than one might imagine given that its probably cheaper to do than crashing/trashing and repairing something worth millions. genuine GT40 £2m? COntinuation £2000k? 4 pop rivets for chassis plate 50p? same for cobras, e types, listers elans, TVR's etc etc.
Even without being an entirely new car there's probably a lot of 'old hammer but new head and handle' going on. They were crashed in period of course. Neither is it a 'new' problem. The 1957 factory 250f that featured in Sunday's parade was bent into next week by Pat Lindsay in the 1970s and completely rebuilt for instance. Interestingly, on that theme, the only genuine BRM P25 is currently being advertised with its original magnesium bodywork. I think it only has that body still because when previous owner Spencer Flack had his tragic accident in the car some years ago it was racing with temporary replacement 'racing' panels on.
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Well, it's the car that won the 1963 TT driven by Graham Hill so yes it's definitely not a new one. But it has been developed pretty thoroughly.

On the subject of replicas, they have been permitted at the Revival for some time. I'm fairly sure that both the F1 Dinos in the Richmond Trophy are continuation/replica cars as is one of the DBR4s and the Lancia D50. Attitudes to this have changed: back in the day several drivers including Neil Corner and de Cadenet boycotted a historic meeting due to the arrival of Anthony Bamford's replica F1 Dinos. Now they are all 'happily' share the same grid.

I think describing the Lancia D 50s as replicas is going a bit far.
The engines and gearboxes are originals, and parts of the axles (i think including the diff) also, lots of numbers on many parts
but yes, frames and bodywork are new
A friend of mine owned one of them for a while, hence my knowledge

so they are certainly not made from scratch entirely

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I think describing the Lancia D 50s as replicas is going a bit far.
The engines and gearboxes are originals, and parts of the axles (i think including the diff) also, lots of numbers on many parts
but yes, frames and bodywork are new
A friend of mine owned one of them for a while, hence my knowledge

so they are certainly not made from scratch entirely

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Fair enough....it would fit into the same category as the early Cameron Millar 250fs (and perhaps the two Graypaul Dinos in that they had original parts too). Denis Jenkinson's book has categories from Original to Facsimile with various shades between. He also concludes that there are virtually no original cars in the strict sense as that would imply they have never been used.
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I thought Stippler's reaction to Newall's accident was a bit "cavalier," I don't know about you, but, even as a hired gun, bending a real '64 GTO is a little distressing. The impression I got was, 'Guess we'll have to dust off the old SWB,' as for the '64, 'littl' bit of Bondo, it'll buff out, and she'll be as good as new!' It's like spilling coffee on the Mona Lisa and dismissing it as 'just another painting.' Thankfully there were no slashed wrists or people trying to jump off tall buildings. I think defining what is real, authentic, original, restored, replica, continuation, and tribute are standards that very fluid and situational in our sport; it's when the word counterfeit is inserted into the conversation, and intent, that things get a little squishy.
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