Pirelli World Challenge

[MaskedRacer]

I think Cooper MacNeil is sportscar's version of a pro wrestling heel right now. Mr. Hedlund is our face.

[Bob Baldwin]

Originally Posted by MaskedRacer

I think Cooper MacNeil is sportscar's version of a pro wrestling heel right now. Mr. Hedlund is our face.

Great Analogy !!!

MH is a great guy

Cooper : Less WHINING Please More talent development NEEDED

[cbbrit]

Originally Posted by Mechanic Z

While we're talking Sonoma entries, World Challenge has uploaded the first draft of the entry list:
http://files.world-challenge.com/eve...-EntryList.pdf

Features Andy Wilzoch's GTA Porsche & Mike's GT Cup Porsche as announced by Flying Lizard.
Preston Calvert returns to GT Cup, as expected.
Both Alex Job Racing cars are on the list.
Drew Regitz is back with the Cameron Audi as is Alex Welch with the 2nd GMG GT Cup Porsche.
Bit surprising to see Tim Pappas' Black Swan Porsche on the list.

At least one part of the entry has yet to be updated, as Spencer Pumpelly is still listed to drive the Acura, which he won't be doing at Sonoma due to the date conflict with his Lamborghini ride.

I know that Lawson Aschenbach is planning on doing two roundtrip flights between Austin and the Bay Area that week/weekend to compete at Sears Point and CoTA, so Spencer could also. It does involve some interesting logistics apparently!

[Mechanic Z]

Originally Posted by cbbrit

I know that Lawson Aschenbach is planning on doing two roundtrip flights between Austin and the Bay Area that week/weekend to compete at Sears Point and CoTA, so Spencer could also. It does involve some interesting logistics apparently!

Per Sportscar365 Spencer has already been ruled out for Sonoma:

***An announcement has yet to be made on who will drive the team’s No. 34 Acura at the next round in Sonoma. Pumpelly has been ruled out due to his IMSA commitments that weekend, with RealTime team principal Peter Cunnginham unlikely available to due to he and Peter Kox’s testing duties with the new Acura NSX GT3.

Interesting that Aschenbach is doing both races though. Perhaps it's possible with the GTS scheduling but not with the GT cars?

[Mike Hedlund]

Thank you guys for the kind words, it means a lot! Hope I can make ya'll proud!

-mike

[Matt]

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...te-c7-gt3.html

Fun article about the Callaway C7, the best part being:

“The ironic thing is that in all that, the Cadillac doesn’t meet the FIA homologation regulations, because they don’t sell it anywhere, but GT3 has to be for sale. It’s not a real GT3 car."

PWC wants the car there, but GM is refusing it.

[Mechanic Z]

Originally Posted by Matt

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...te-c7-gt3.html

Fun article about the Callaway C7, the best part being:


PWC wants the car there, but GM is refusing it.

IIRC, there was even a team all set to purchase one and run it. I think it was maybe nasportscar that mentioned it?

[BullMan]

Originally Posted by Matt

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...te-c7-gt3.html

Fun article about the Callaway C7, the best part being:


PWC wants the car there, but GM is refusing it.

I can't read. Replaced Cadillac with Corvette. Whoops.

[FormulaFox]

Originally Posted by Matt

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...te-c7-gt3.html

Fun article about the Callaway C7, the best part being:


PWC wants the car there, but GM is refusing it.

That quote makes no sense... The Cadillac ATS IS available for purchase, and in numbers sufficient to meet FIA homologation.

[Matt]

No it's not.

Teams have tried purchasing them, GM won't sell them. It doesn't have a homologation number from the FiA because they didn't pass some of the tests out at Ladoux.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by Matt

No it's not.

Teams have tried purchasing them, GM won't sell them. It doesn't have a homologation number from the FiA because they didn't pass some of the tests out at Ladoux.

Is more that they WON'T sell it than can't, two different articles said it went and was passed but not available for sale outside of P&M. Have seen a few things say a GT3 car can't be officially homologated if not available for sale.

[carbsmith]

http://www.fia.com/regulation/category/760

GT3 039 ATS-V.R GT3 Début d'Homol. 01.08.2015 Fin : 2022

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by Matt

No it's not.

Teams have tried purchasing them, GM won't sell them. It doesn't have a homologation number from the FiA because they didn't pass some of the tests out at Ladoux.

I think formula fox is suggesting the ATS is available to buy as a road car... Not a gt3




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[jjvincent]

You cannot buy a ATS.R. It's just like you could not buy a P&M Camaro either. It's what GM does. They can do it because they put enough marketing dollars in PWC and IMSA that they both look the other way. Same thing is going to happen to the Caddilac DPi. Two teams get them and that's it. Want to buy one, it ain't gonna happen. That's the other reason why other manufacturers are standing on the sideline watch what GM does in DPi. Why build a car according to the rules when GM doesn't?

Officially, the ATS.R is not for sale because it needs more development before it is put into the hands of privateers. As we all know, the car is a POS because it has never won a championship or a race, ever. In addition to this, it's the first time for P&M into GT3. As we all know, that company is clueless as to building a car at that level of competition. I feel bad for the PWC team because they are pretty much learning against well oiled teams and machines.

As for a Callaway, why race a car that will never have a BoP to make it competitive here in the U?. Again, marketing dollars.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by jjvincent

Officially, the ATS.R is not for sale because it needs more development before it is put into the hands of privateers. As we all know, the car is a POS because it has never won a championship or a race, ever. In addition to this, it's the first time for P&M into GT3. As we all know, that company is clueless as to building a car at that level of competition. I feel bad for the PWC team because they are pretty much learning against well oiled teams and machines.
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I'm guessing this needed a sarcasm smiley.

[carbsmith]

Cadillac isn't breaking any rules by not selling customer cars so far. The car didn't run under FIA homologation last season and they aren't obliged to sell any customer cars during the first year of homologation, as many haven't (Audi won the Nurburgring 24 Hours with a car unavailable to customers last year). I doubt you'll see any actual customer Lexus GT3s until 2018 and that car has been racing since 2015.

That aside it's one thing to offer the car but it's easy to make it so no one will buy one to run in a major series. Not much point in buying a GT3 car if it's going to have bad BoP and no support and it's never run more than an hour.

[TF110]

There's sadly only 3 (4 or 5 next year) Lexus's. Wish there were more Cadillac's as well.

[nasportscar]

Originally Posted by Matt

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/0...te-c7-gt3.html

Fun article about the Callaway C7, the best part being:


PWC wants the car there, but GM is refusing it.

Kinda funny considering the director of operations for the series is the former program manager for GM's PWC GT, GTS and TCB programs

Mike Zoner, the managing director for Callaway, told me about the PWC-GM stuff, but I couldn't put anything down because (I think) they were still trying to negotiate it at the time. http://nasportscar.com/motorsport-ve...north-america/

[jjvincent]

Originally Posted by carbsmith

Cadillac isn't breaking any rules by not selling customer cars so far. The car didn't run under FIA homologation last season and they aren't obliged to sell any customer cars during the first year of homologation, as many haven't (Audi won the Nurburgring 24 Hours with a car unavailable to customers last year). I doubt you'll see any actual customer Lexus GT3s until 2018 and that car has been racing since 2015.

That aside it's one thing to offer the car but it's easy to make it so no one will buy one to run in a major series. Not much point in buying a GT3 car if it's going to have bad BoP and no support and it's never run more than an hour.

It's actually better to not sell a GT3 car to customers. That way, you can develop what you want while everyone else can't. Who's going to know if Caddilac hasn't changed something mid season. If you are racing a Porsche and one team shows up with some different parts as opposed to the others or even dare to develop the car, you can imagine the problem that can create. So, having 100% control on everything from information to the car design is the best option.

Plus you can pretty much dictate the BoP because it's hard to tell if the the driver is not on his A game or the tried and true formula for BoP manipulation. That's the typical, come out of the box really fast and get in a few good finishes. Then get BoP'd and run mid to back of the pack for the middle of the season and shut up the rest of the whiners in the paddock. Get BoP'd back up front and get more good finishes. By the time everyone starts whining again, the season is over. It's better to do well for 2/3 of the season as opposed to 1/3 as the rest get. Then next season starts and we all forgot what happened 5 months ago.

Cadillac is doing it correct and I hope Acura is watching as that's what they need to do too. Selling GT3 cars to customers is not the best option. It's better to keep it all to yourself. I know that's not the spirit of GT3 but it really doesn't matter. As for Lexus, who knows as the most action the car has seen is on the Lexus TV ad.

[nasportscar]

Originally Posted by jjvincent

It's actually better to not sell a GT3 car to customers. That way, you can develop what you want while everyone else can't. Who's going to know if Caddilac hasn't changed something mid season. If you are racing a Porsche and one team shows up with some different parts as opposed to the others or even dare to develop the car, you can imagine the problem that can create. So, having 100% control on everything from information to the car design is the best option.

Plus you can pretty much dictate the BoP because it's hard to tell if the the driver is not on his A game or the tried and true formula for BoP manipulation. That's the typical, come out of the box really fast and get in a few good finishes. Then get BoP'd and run mid to back of the pack for the middle of the season and shut up the rest of the whiners in the paddock. Get BoP'd back up front and get more good finishes. By the time everyone starts whining again, the season is over. It's better to do well for 2/3 of the season as opposed to 1/3 as the rest get. Then next season starts and we all forgot what happened 5 months ago.

Cadillac is doing it correct and I hope Acura is watching as that's what they need to do too. Selling GT3 cars to customers is not the best option. It's better to keep it all to yourself. I know that's not the spirit of GT3 but it really doesn't matter. As for Lexus, who knows as the most action the car has seen is on the Lexus TV ad.

They have this class already, it's called G3 - where the Acura TLX GT and the Emil Frey Jaguar are classed

[nasportscar]

Jorge De La Torre is back in the car for the first time today testing the Aston at MSR Houston. Awesome to see that.

[Bcarr6]

Originally Posted by nasportscar

Jorge De La Torre is back in the car for the first time today testing the Aston at MSR Houston. Awesome to see that.

Awesome. Any news on Palmers progress?


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[jjvincent]

Originally Posted by nasportscar

They have this class already, it's called G3 - where the Acura TLX GT and the Emil Frey Jaguar are classed

Then there's the G3 Ghost Class. It's where you act like GT3 but are not anything at all. That class was won by Cadillac over the last two seasons.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by jjvincent

Then there's the G3 Ghost Class. It's where you act like GT3 but are not anything at all. That class was won by Cadillac over the last two seasons.

We get it, you think Caddy is cheating even though you've been shown their homolgation number and no one else can find anything that says you must sell it right now. You've been shown to be wrong, drop it and move on. Plus PWC is NOT in any way, shape, form, spirit of the rules, etc bound to use ONLY GT3 cars so Caddy could build anything they get approved by WC stewards, as Brandon Davis did with his Mustangs.

[kevin993]

Anybody know anything about the possibility of the Mercedes AMG GT3 in PwC before the end of the year? There was talk about one or two showing up and rumbles there would be one at Sonoma, but things seem to have gotten pretty quiet on that front.