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Portuguese Touring Car Championship
I was looking through the image galleries of Seat Sport when I found some pictures of the Portugese Touring Car Championship. I had a look on its homepage (www.ptcc.com.pt) and saw they already had their first two runs in Estoril. There are good drivers as Cesár Campánico in the series, and good cars as some BMW 320si E90, two Alfa 156 (one is the ex-Andersson car i think),and a lot Seat León Supercopa.
The winners of the first event were Francisco Carvalho in a León Supercopa and Campánico in a BMW 320si. I hope someone knows more about this series, it's looking interesting. |
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Sorry, that IS the Andersson the car. The other Alfa is the ex-Balzan car. Campaniço's team mate is Ni Amorim, both in BMWs.
There's zero works manufacturer envolvement. The championship allows four classes: S2000 (three Beemers, two Alfas, one Peugeot coming in the second round), Superproduction (no cars, no interest), N-3000 (five Leon Supercopas, one E46 320d coming in the second round) and N-2000 (ten cars in round one, mostly the cars from previous years, many ex-Clio MkII Cup, some Gr. N Civic Type-Rs, a couple of Copa Alfa 147s, and an Integra from the Japanese cup). The calendar is made up of 8 double-headers, all races are standing starts. |
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Not a bad grid at all, 6 S2000 cars considering there is no official involvement is quite good actually.
Do you think the series will have a future? Isn't it too expensive for a small market like Portugal? What is the tv coverage? Over here there is a debate on what Greece will do in the future and we think S2000 might be a mistake because a) it costs too much, b) the cars require technical sophistication which is provided only by professional teams. Since there are none of them locally, people will need Italian or whatever teams and this would cost a fortune. Thus we are stuck with Group A - like 1600 hatchbacks but this is also a problem since the 106s and Saxos are so strong that noone in their right mind will ever build a current production car to compete with them, the difference in weight is enormous. A vicious circle |
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---- [quote=Go_For_Pole]Do you think the series will have a future?[quote] I hope so. The championship went downhill in 1987 and has never come back since. Group A ended in 1991 (you either a RS500 or you were screwed), Group N might have continued, but they introduced Supertouring in 1993, it proved too expensive, and there was no championship in 1995 and 1996. Ever since 1997 the championship has basically been a repository for ex-Cup cars. Quote:
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A S200-championship on the Iberian peninsula would be great. Whith tracks as Jerez, Jarama, Barcelona, Valencia, Albacete, Braga and Estoril, you can have a great championschip. And you can join the WTCC at 3 circuits, Valencia, Porto and Pau, which is in France, but near Spain. I can name you at least 1 manufacturer that would join...
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It's a sad fact of life that some championships will need to merge to survive. |
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4 Apr 2007, 13:41 (Ref:1883385) | #10 | ||
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It is indeed, no arguments there. But realisticaly it is way more economical to have common races with Italians, Turks and other Balcans. Problem is neither of those have a strong touring car championship, especially sad is that Italians are still strugling even with Peroni Promotion running the show.
Spain, Portugal and France are way out of reach, to give you an idea the equivelant of going from Greece to Spain is roughly like going from UK to Russia in terms of klms. Having said that it is true that us Meds have the same mentality and also that from next year there will be a GT championship across our area so maybe that is a platform one could build on not only for touring cars but also single seaters. |
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French silhouette championship exists no longer.
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About French Silhouette , from what i know and as FIRE said there is no more championship, some drivers and Teams are now racing in "Grand Tourisme" GT or even in Porsche Carrera Cup in France
I think some of the Silhouette are now racing in Belgian BELCAR-BTCS championship http://www.automobilsport.com/Galeri...-%20(110).html http://www.automobilsport.com/Galeri...-%20(182).html |
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In Belgium they run various classes of car on one track (from 'Vettes to Saxos) - maybe that principle of having a combined GT(3 and possibly GT2. The French have a national GT1 championship, which is stupid really) and Touring Car championship. Two 45 minute races in each meeting would suit both touring cars and GT. Last edited by duke_toaster; 5 Apr 2007 at 17:55. |
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1. Andersson: "It's 90% certain that I will race STCC next year. 50/50 between my current Alfa, a 2003 spec car with 2004 updates, or some other car." 2. The Alfa is for sale (MotorsportAds) 3. The Alfa is sold to Portugal - this part I remember correctly 4. Mattias confirmed for 2007 with Alfa Romeo - the car was down in Italy being prepared for the season, it was reported. Question is, has he said "post-sale" that he would keep racing the same car? |
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I think there must be a a platform for the s2000 touringcars and the s2000 cars for the IRC (International Rallye Challange). The World Rallye Cars are too expansive for now and the future. The s2000 reglement is a good platform for rallye or touringcar. A manufacturer can develope one car and can start in some rallye series or touringcar series. The engines, gearboxes or suspensions are the same for the different series. That is a base for a cheaper motorsport.
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I agree there, S2000 could very well be for rally and touringcars what the GT3 concept is proving to be for the (national) GT series. Lower costs, closer competition, tighter rules.
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Ideally the S2000 rally cars would replace the WRC spec which is stupidly expensive.
I'd love someone to have an S2000 24 hour race :P |
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IIRC, Ford shared development of their Focus WRC and their TC2000 Focus. Could the same be applied for S2000?
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