In Car Camera's

mixxer · 8 Jun 2003, 14:44 (Ref:624599)

With all this wealth that the V8's are generating for ruling body why dont they source the camera and hard drive units from Australia rather than waiting for the units to come from Israel (or wherever)?
Surely the ruling body could then get some mileage out of supporting "Austalian Industrys" rather than buying in overseas tech.

RaceTime · 8 Jun 2003, 22:46 (Ref:625088)

Two reasons:

Tony Cochrane/AVESCO

And, to be honest, reliability under extreme conditions.

Crash Test · 8 Jun 2003, 23:18 (Ref:625119)

Where to AVE get theirs that they use in the PCS? Those types of things have been floating around since the ST days...

RaceTime · 8 Jun 2003, 23:30 (Ref:625138)

Might be a case of numbers and or reliability - who knows

Crash Test · 8 Jun 2003, 23:40 (Ref:625156)

I'd say they would be fairly reliable. I've seen on a few occasions how they whip em out in parce ferme and skip through to all of the highlights of the race. I suppose there would be an additional drama with the long distance races if they have to carry an additional power source, and HD space etc.

RaceTime · 9 Jun 2003, 00:12 (Ref:625176)

Ahhh but there is reliable and there is reliable - my reliable was there capacity to survive V8 racing and not ST racing (harder, bigger shunts for example).

But - who knows...

Crash Test · 9 Jun 2003, 01:47 (Ref:625230)

Hrmm, there were some fairly heavy shunts in STs and Procar... the number one problem I've found with just amateur digital video taping in-cars is the mounting that either isn't solid enough, or simply passes all of the vibrations through to the camera, stuffing it up.

RaceTime · 9 Jun 2003, 02:45 (Ref:625255)

Maybe I am thinking of a different system then - I seem to recall some discussions taking place recently about the use of small digital style camera in the cars but the outut was to be saved to a hard disk mounted somewhere in the rear of the car.

i could be mistaken but that is what my train of thought was on.

RRR · 10 Jun 2003, 02:04 (Ref:626652)

I think the use of cameras in each car is a good idea, however, with the officials unable to make the right decision, i can't see the point ...
The only camera angle that showed the true incident between Murph and Lowndes at Winton was the Kmart cars in-car camera. Why would they bother spending all the cash on the cameras when they won't help the outcome of on-track incidents?

marcus · 10 Jun 2003, 02:30 (Ref:626657)

good point

RaceTime · 10 Jun 2003, 02:45 (Ref:626659)

RRR - actually there was another angle, which was only shown the once, but told even more than the camera in Murphy's car - this was the side shot taken from the drivers side showing Murphy actually hitting Lowndes.

If you can get a look at that angle you will see that Murphys front left wheel is locked up and smoking about 1.5 to 2 metres BEFORE he made contact with Lowndes - which says a lot for the officials claiming it was deliberate.....

PVDA · 10 Jun 2003, 09:58 (Ref:626906)

Racetime is correct (is he ever wrong) the cameras will feed into a HDD in the car and from what I've been told, in the future, will also allow things like steering, brake and throttle angles able to be recorded at the same time (like the data loggers now but with a picture to go with it).

Will put an end to the "my steering failed" excuse used by a certain driver at PI last year

RaceTime · 10 Jun 2003, 10:14 (Ref:626923)

Quote:

Originally posted by PVDA
Racetime is correct (is he ever wrong)

- of course I am

I just wish I could recall where I saw an article about these HDD cameras - was at least 12-15 months ago - may have been in an English Autosport - not really sure now though....

mixxer · 10 Jun 2003, 16:51 (Ref:627315)

Quote:

Originally posted by RaceTime
- of course I am

I just wish I could recall where I saw an article about these HDD cameras - was at least 12-15 months ago - may have been in an English Autosport - not really sure now though....

I think I read the same article the time period is right but I thought it was in a Aus mag, in any case the important thing here is 12 15 months ago, they harp on about reforms to the judicial system to provide a more consistant approach to the application of race penalties and yet they have just let this important device be held up due to (possibly) chasing the cheapest units they can get

From what Im being led to believe it is basically the same set-up as a Webcam and a Home PC just in this case its a Digital Camera with a cpu,hdd controller which eventually they would like to be a part of a "Black Box" recording system monitoring things like

Brake % application
G Loading
Throttle position
Tyre Airpressure
Wheel Speed

mixxer · 10 Jun 2003, 17:06 (Ref:627323)

If they are serious about this "consistant application of rules" I think they should just source the units from somewhere else and just cop the extra costs (if any) on the chin, and yes I know they arent the be all to end all but they certainly couldnt make the current situation worse
:confused:

RaceTime · 10 Jun 2003, 21:07 (Ref:627573)

However, you and I both know that any 'extra costs' are going to be passed straight back to the paying public through the tracks...

mixxer · 9 Nov 2003, 09:27 (Ref:777524)

Bump
Any news on these Camera/HDD units

**GTRMagic** · 9 Nov 2003, 09:33 (Ref:777529)

They were trialled at Sandown in selected cars, but are struggling with the mounting system on some cars, the units containing the cameras apparently get a vibration they are unused to and sometimes dont record correctly

But the units remain on trial... its a fair sized metal box for the HDD unit, would have some weight in it I would have thought

Zinger · 9 Nov 2003, 20:48 (Ref:778163)

From what I rember the HDD where about to be sent but were delayed from Israle because of the start of the Gulf War. It was around Clipsal 500 time. When the HDD arived we would have a cammera in every car was the story.

miss tmr · 9 Nov 2003, 21:31 (Ref:778194)

I thought all cars were going to have in car cameras, didnt they say it was compulsory for all cars this year..

So what happened to that then:confused:

**GTRMagic** · 9 Nov 2003, 21:50 (Ref:778213)

Couldnt find else anyone to pay for it I guess

The vision out of the Carrera Cup cars is magic, why they dont just pinch that system outright is beyond me

mixxer · 25 Nov 2003, 00:07 (Ref:793428)

Found this reference to those in-car camera's on another forum,
http://www.zdnet.com.au/newstech/ent...0277456,00.htm

Timu · 25 Nov 2003, 01:19 (Ref:793456)

At Pukekohe they used Jamie Whincups incar camera for the race 1 incident, and it was of no use because they pictures couldn't see past the spray infront!

Aircon · 25 Nov 2003, 05:08 (Ref:793549)

Quote:

Originally posted by PVDA
Racetime is correct (is he ever wrong) the cameras will feed into a HDD in the car and from what I've been told, in the future, will also allow things like steering, brake and throttle angles able to be recorded at the same time (like the data loggers now but with a picture to go with it).

Will put an end to the "my steering failed" excuse used by a certain driver at PI last year

Future? We've got them now for our F3 cars. It's an interface that takes our data stream and records it all as an MPEG4 file so you can view it all in real time. We've mounted camera's IN the drivers helmet so we could see what he was looking at and have had no excessive vibration issues. And that's in a super stiff open wheeler. A touring car has an arm chair ride in comparison.

This system has been in use for a while now.

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