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Old 11 Oct 2013, 23:53 (Ref:3316489)   #31
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What about gulf racing middle east?? What's of them?
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Old 12 Oct 2013, 05:12 (Ref:3316560)   #32
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I'm curious as to how the P2 engine thing works, does a Team wanting run a new engine A. apply to have it approved/homologated, or does the manufacturer of engine A. have to do it?

Either way, is it an expensive operation? Does the cost of this process have any effect on the engine price cap?
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Old 12 Oct 2013, 10:37 (Ref:3316633)   #33
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What about gulf racing middle east?? What's of them?
Who knows. I'm guessing the project has run dry.

They lost the Gulf branding and now they've seemingly lost Keiko Ihara and the money she brought.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 10:18 (Ref:3317056)   #34
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I'm curious as to how the P2 engine thing works, does a Team wanting run a new engine A. apply to have it approved/homologated, or does the manufacturer of engine A. have to do it?

Either way, is it an expensive operation? Does the cost of this process have any effect on the engine price cap?
Do you mean such cases like Zytek doing the Nissan engines and their own chassis? Or a team such as Oreca wanting to use say, a Ford (terrible example I know) block as a basis in their chassis even though one doesn't exist?
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 13:35 (Ref:3317135)   #35
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Do you mean such cases like Zytek doing the Nissan engines and their own chassis? Or a team such as Oreca wanting to use say, a Ford (terrible example I know) block as a basis in their chassis even though one doesn't exist?
Yep, that is what I mean..........

If as you say team A wants to use engine B, which is from an OEM manufacturer, meets the required numbers as already being used in one of their road models, does that manufacturer have to get the engine homologated for the team arbitrarily, or can the team/tuner etc, homologate it themselves?

In which case, is this an expensive process?

I'm just trying to understand how this all works, as it seems that most of the P2 teams are using Nissan engines. Is that because they are simply the best, or that given the choice between that and a judd, they are better and a team cannot homologate an engine, so in essence you must run what is out there?

I'm not very experienced in this level of racing and really was curious as to the protocol......
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 14:15 (Ref:3317143)   #36
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Yep, that is what I mean..........

If as you say team A wants to use engine B, which is from an OEM manufacturer, meets the required numbers as already being used in one of their road models, does that manufacturer have to get the engine homologated for the team arbitrarily, or can the team/tuner etc, homologate it themselves?

In which case, is this an expensive process?

I'm just trying to understand how this all works, as it seems that most of the P2 teams are using Nissan engines. Is that because they are simply the best, or that given the choice between that and a judd, they are better and a team cannot homologate an engine, so in essence you must run what is out there?

I'm not very experienced in this level of racing and really was curious as to the protocol......

A tuner can homologated an engine as far as I know. For example a Judd engine from Engine Developments ltd is a BMW block, with no relation to factory BMW Motorsport. How it works if say Oreca wanted to build its own engines, it would be fine as a manufacturer from what I know (like HPD). But for a team such as Murphy prototypes to make their own engine wouldn't be allowed as the principal of P2 is that it's customer teams.

In essence a P2 team has to buy from what is available as far as I know. The best thing to do is to get a proven engine, that the team can afford.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 20:26 (Ref:3317365)   #37
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A tuner can homologated an engine as far as I know. For example a Judd engine from Engine Developments ltd is a BMW block, with no relation to factory BMW Motorsport. How it works if say Oreca wanted to build its own engines, it would be fine as a manufacturer from what I know (like HPD). But for a team such as Murphy prototypes to make their own engine wouldn't be allowed as the principal of P2 is that it's customer teams.

In essence a P2 team has to buy from what is available as far as I know. The best thing to do is to get a proven engine, that the team can afford.
Anyone listed as a "tuner" could in theory homologate an engine:

"A Homologation Form must be filled by the Manufacturer or the tuner (*) and validated after the contradictory inspection carried out by the Homologation Group.
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(*) The Endurance Committee should accept tuners presenting the best records.
These tuners should however get a favourable opinion from the Manufacturer to carry out such a project and the engine should not have the name of the Manufacturer."


Long story short: A "tuner" could get an engine homologated as long as it's based on a production engine, made in minimum 1000 units, and be from a GT or large production car.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 22:29 (Ref:3317423)   #38
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An importantly get a favorable opinion on the project from the manufacturer, guess no Porsche V8 project like the Action Express DP. Also means a Ferrari P2 project would have to have their blessing.
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Old 13 Oct 2013, 22:43 (Ref:3317428)   #39
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Anyone listed as a "tuner" could in theory homologate an engine:

"A Homologation Form must be filled by the Manufacturer or the tuner (*) and validated after the contradictory inspection carried out by the Homologation Group.
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(*) The Endurance Committee should accept tuners presenting the best records.
These tuners should however get a favourable opinion from the Manufacturer to carry out such a project and the engine should not have the name of the Manufacturer."

Long story short: A "tuner" could get an engine homologated as long as it's based on a production engine, made in minimum 1000 units, and be from a GT or large production car.
The mfg still has to give their blessing!





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Old 22 Oct 2013, 19:20 (Ref:3321777)   #40
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Anyone knows what happened with the SCT LMP2 project?
http://www.sctsportscars.com/SCTindex.htm



Another unraced project to the list?
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Old 22 Oct 2013, 19:29 (Ref:3321782)   #41
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Rear end looks far too LMP675 to be legal or even current.
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Old 22 Oct 2013, 19:41 (Ref:3321786)   #42
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yep, no cheese wedges, BH-Fin or BH-holes, looks like another still-born project.
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Old 22 Oct 2013, 22:50 (Ref:3321899)   #43
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Yep, totally true, but they was saying about a SC60 version working with the 2014 regullations.... That was written on the 2012, but there are no more news.

They had been constructed almost one sport car, but it seems to be something for hillclimbing races/track days, not a CN or a LMP. ...maybe it could be a IMSA light

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Old 23 Oct 2013, 07:43 (Ref:3322021)   #44
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Yep, totally true, but they was saying about a SC60 version working with the 2014 regullations.... That was written on the 2012, but there are no more news.

They had been constructed almost one sport car, but it seems to be something for hillclimbing races/track days, not a CN or a LMP. ...maybe it could be a IMSA light
That image looks very IMSA Lite to me.

With this, the Bailey, and the flurry of LMP1 projects we heard about this year perhaps it's time to resurrect the Sportscars that never raced thread.
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Is it possible to upgade a LMPC chassis to an Oreca 03 spec?
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