Another Chevron one

[Dan Rear]

Chris

So as regards B48s, we're fairly sure that the works had 3, for Rahal 2 and Gaillard/Devaney (EJ)1 , though I think Gaillard had the 'Rahal/Ampex' car at Donington, when Devaney was in the one he (Gaillard) had used before( Not surprisingly these 3, 01-05-08, were the ones that ended up in Aurora the next year).Docking/Huub had 2, Stohr 1 and Dauer 1. That just leaves 1 car (06?) unaccounted for.

On the Kennedy RT1, given his Theodore connections that year, I'd always believed it was the early car, -9 as you say. I guess this sat around after Macau in 79, 'cos you confirmed a while ago that it was the one Hawkins used in the British series in 81.

What about the Gowdy RT1, was that a new car in 77-78 ??

Finally, for now, though as you know this is a fascinating period/subject for me (!!), the Briggs B42s. 4 as far as I remember, didn't they end up with Robinson 2, Dean 1 and Warren 1 in Aurora 79. While on this, how many B42s did Daly have in 78. There seemed to be a good number in 79 Atlantic described as ex-Daly B42s: Gibson, Wainwright,Rackham as I recall.

Help please !

[Chris Townsend]

Dan

The problem with it being RT1-9 is that whilst the Kennedy - Theodore connection makes sense, and it brings the car back for the UK series, it means that NZMA is wrong about this being Lees' car in 1980 at Macau and that's very unusual.

Regarding B42's
The following are described in Autosport as ex Briggs
42-78-05: 1979 Brian Robinson; 1980-81 Bob Howlings
42-78-16: 1979: Warren Booth; 1980 Jim Evans
42-78-17: 1979-81 Brian Robinson
42-78-19: 1979: Tony Dean 1980: Brian Robinson

In addition F1R has
42-78-10 as a Briggs car. Now, I know the guy was wealthy, but five!
I saw a lot of F2 in 78 [5 races] and Briggs never had more than three cars in the paddock at one time.


Of the others:
42-77-01 or P 1977: Patrese, Japanese GP then 1978-9 Steve Millen; 1980 Bob Donaldson

42-78-01: This may be another car, perhaps Tomy Racing in Japan for Hasemi
42-78-02 1978 Works Patrese/Daly
42-78-03 1978 Trivatello: Gabbiani with a Ferrari V6
42-78-04 1978 Maybe Tomy Racing if not 78-01, or Trivatello for Sandro Cinotti
42-78-05 see above
42-78-06 Opert: Hayje
42-78-07 Everest: De Angelis with Ferrari engine
42-78-08 Works/ICi: Daly/Mansell
42-78-09 Works/ICI: Mass/Tambay and other guest drivers; 1979 Garon-Regout, possibly hired to Willi Siller at Misano.
42-78-10 see above
42-78-11 Chevron didn't usually build 11 - Bennett regarding multiples of it as unlucky
42-78-12 Opert: Elgh
42-78-14 Trivatello: Agostini, 1979: Ken Brill
42-78-15 Opert: Rosberg 1979 Phil Bennett to David Rackham, 1980-81 David Mercer
42-78-16 Briggs
42-78-17 Briggs
42-78-18 Jack Kallay: Goeff Lees
42-78-19 Briggs

There aren't that many ex Daly cars, but there are a lot of ex Daly tubs. I think DD collected a lot of air miles that year! [Usually when launched by Ingo Hoffmann]

So far I can't place the following in 79:
2 [tho. might be Stokes]; 3; 4; 6; 7; 8 is probably Gibson's; 12; 18

Chris

[Jeremy Jackson]

The B48 under Robinson's Esprit in 1983 was 08, the chassis plate was still there. That car was used by Bob Nelson in 1984. Also in 1983-84, Paul Rhodes had a B48-based Esprit, whcih I noted as 01.

In Aug. 1984 Rhodes drove a white B48 in a Mallory libre race, didn't see the chassis no., but "said" to be ex-Rothengatter.

In 1985-6, Rhodes raced a B48, but this was either Robinson's car, or his 1984 car with Robinson's yellow bodywork.


Then there was this dark blue B49, driven by Peter Oxley at Mallory in July 1984...

[Dan Rear]

Chris/Jeremy

Blimey where to start !

The Rhodes B48-01 makes sense, we know its the ex-Booth car, I guess he used it both as an F2 and GT. I remember that Libre race, have the programme at home. I can't believe he would have had 2 of them so surely it was 01 in both guises. Unless... he had 3 chassis, 01 which you've noted as definite, the ex-Huub car by rumour, AND Robinsons 08. Would anyone be that daft to get 3 of the things.

The Oxley B49, I also saw at Mallory (we must have been following each other round the Paddock Jeremy, very weird !), I assumed it was a modified F3 B47, but perhaps it was the Hope Scott B49, I may have a picture of it, I'll look tonight.

Moving on, Chris why can't the Lees Macau RT1 be -9, sorry I'm confused too. If we assume it won there in 76 (Jones), and 79 (Lees) brought back for Kennedy, then back out again for Macau in 80 Lees, and finally here for Hawkins in 81. Have I missed something in your analysis.

B42s, I always thought Briggs had the 4 you mentioned first, ie NOT -10. Didn't know that Jim Evans got one of them in 80, did he ever race it, he didn't do any Atlantic or Aurora that year I'm fairly sure. No 2, the one you have as maybe Stokes, I assume thats the one Wainwright had, in Britain, and that Phoenix Park race. The RAM 79 car, -9, I thought stayed here all year. Do you have any connection between RAM and Siller, I'd thought it was probably an ex-Trivellato car, purely on geographic grounds I guess. Are you sure on the 77 car that Millen had, I assumed this was 78-42-01. Might this explain why -10 is 'missing', perhaps thats the Hasemi/Japan car, not 01. I am probably miles off here but could F1R got 01 and 10 mixed up ??

Dan

[David McKinney]

B42s
Which of the Briggs cars became the Richard Brown/Russ Ward hillclimb car?

My notes say Gary Gibson’s 1979 car was 08 - then Bill Gowdy, who still owned 1990

I have Patsy McGarrity in 02 in 1981 (though described as ex-Rosberg)

I also have Bill Lord (Scotland) with “the ex-de Angelis car” in 1982 - 07?

Jim Crawford raced #15 in India in 1984 and 1985. It was later owned by Terry Murphy in Ireland

B48s
I have Paul Rhodes in 08 in 1985 - was this too early for the car to have been converted back from its Esprit configuration?
Or did Robinson have two 08s?

Ralt RT1
It would not have been impossible for Theodore’s RT1 to have been brought over for Phoenix Park in 1979, then taken back for more Macau work - though not very likely
And there’s no obvious way it would return to the UK for Richard Hawkins in 1981

[Jeremy Jackson]

David,

The Robinson/Nelson Esprit didn't apear in GT races in 1985 to my knowledge. The last time I saw it was August 1984, and I saw Rhodes' yellow B48 in April '85. Comparing my photos of Rhodes' car with Robinson's in the Aurora series, it looks like the same one

[Bryan Miller]

Dan, Chris and Jeremy.

Chevron B42-78-01.

The car is here , has been since about 1982.
Quoting from a letter to the present owner Peter Larner from David Gordon , autor of the Chevron book , 7-6-1999.

'' Although the chassis plate would imply build 1978 , the car was actually built for the Donnington rd. of the F2 C/ship , oct.1977. The car was white and entered by Trivellato and Chevron Cars as a B40 ( 1977 F2 number ).
Then he quotes Motoring News description of the car.

'' The Italians regular blue B40 had been shipped to Japan for next Sundays F2 race at Suzuka , and he was in a new all white car. Chevron weren't saying much about it , but eventually they admitted that it was the monocoque of the forthcoming B45 model and that it was carrying the 1978 front suspension. However the rear suspension was std. and clothed in B40 bodywork.
After the race the Hart 420R was removed and a Hart BDA installed and the car sent to Macau, entered by Bob Harper and driven by Patrese. Steve Millen bought the car after the race , and ran the 1978 and 1979 N.Z. series in the car .""

After that the car is in Aust. in the hands of Wayne Ford , 1982 to 1985 , then Wayne Walker 1985-1988 , then to Murray Batson 1988-1999, then to Peter Larner.

Chassis Plate is confirmed.

Bryan Miller.

[Richard Young]

I'm told that the Kennedy Phoenix Pk RT1 is still stowed away in Dublin in the hands of one Tony Skinner having remained there after its Phoenix Park appearance.
Will ask Bill Gowdy about his car Dan. I know it got well smacked on one of its first Kirkistown appearances and as a result may well have had two tubs. How many chassis plates though ?
I'll ask the man tomorrow if I get a chance.....

[Teretonga]

The Millen B42 was definitely the car Patrese raced in Asia, whatever its designation was. At the time it was reported as the car Patrese raced at Macau that year.

[Dan Rear]

Did some research into some of these items last week, from old programmes, where I've noted chassis nos. Might help a little, but not a vast amount.

At the Donington F2 race in 79, B48s as follows: no 1 is works/DNS, 3 Huub, 5 works/Gaillard, 8 works/Devaney.

In 1982 a Mallory Libre race, Stuart MacPherson has B42-05, in 1985, similar race Antonia Loysen has B42-15. At the 84 Mallory race Jeremy mentioned, Oxley's car is 'race-numbered' 49, so I guess he at least thought it was a proper B49, probably the ex-Jeffrey car. My photo definitely looks like a 'real' B49.

David, I'm vaguely confident that the Hawkins RT1 in 81 Atlantic, was a very early ex-Theodore car, I assumed -9, so maybe this is a different one to the Kennedy/Phoenix 79 car ??

Finally, a little off-thread anyone know where Bryce Wilson's 1978 B29 came from. Various other snippets to be posted on other threads !!

Dan

[Dan Rear]

I've just looked at Jeremy's earlier post on the 79 Phoenix Park race. The B42s interest me, those of Parsons, Candy, Templeton. I'm pretty sure Parsons was a B34, Candy's a B29, unless they got newer ones for this race. Templeton I didn't know he had any Chevron, so maybe this was a real B42. Any ideas on these 3 cars ?

[Jeremy Jackson]

Dan,

Note that Fallon drove Candy's usual B29, (noted in my results), Candy having a rented Marlboro-liveried B42

[Dan Rear]

Jeremy, I didn't pick that up, sorry. So what was the Candy Marlboro B42 then, the only one I can recall as being that colour was Ken Brill's ex Ago car, though of course they could have repainted/stickered any B42 I guess. I wonder what it was, maybe our Irish friends can help out here??

[Richard Young]

Dan,
Reference Phoenix Park '79, could the Candy Marlboro B42 actually be an Eddie Jordan car. I have a pic of him in a Marlboro Chevron at Kirkistown, and EJ was never one to refuse a deal.......Parsons' car was, indeed a B34 - after it left him it went hill climbing with George Ritchie in Scotland.
Trevor Templeton did have a B42 (or B40) which was coloured blue/white and reputedly ex-Opert. Last I heard it was still over here, hidden away.........but maybe that's yet another legend. For his part, Trevor then went F3 with an RT1.......

[Dan Rear]

Richard

Re Templeton, I recall him in F3 in I think 79. He had an RT1, with home-made side pods I believe, car, but not driver, outclassed that year over here. I'd forgotten completley about his B42/B40, do you have any more info?

I'm halfway throught the Jordan book by Collings, and though it doesn't go into much detail, there is a bit about his mechanic john Walton painting up a car of his into Marloboro colours. I'd assumed it was the B29, plus I don't ever recall Jordan having a B42 of any sort, over here or in Ireland. Chris/Jeremy,do you know anymore about this car??

Btw, Templeton Richard, do you have anything on his RT4 in 83-84ish ?

Dan

[Richard Young]

Dan,
Trevor's RT4 went to the US - I remember Crossles crating it up for the great flight west. Colin Lees here also had an RT4 for a while but I don't know what happened to that.
Trevor's Chevron then went to Pat Speer - now his brother-in-law and thence to.....???
Regarding the Marlboro Chevron, I think you're right. The pic I have looks like a B29, but both EJ and Candy ran under the 'Marlboro Team Ireland' banner at various times, and Candys car could have been a rent. Everybody with a pulse tried to get a decent mount for Phoenix Park in those days.....

[Bryan Miller]

Dan and Richard .

For the answer on your Marlboro Team Ireland Chevrons , suggest you have a look at the start of the badly named Chevron B29 thread.
Bryan.

[Chris Townsend]

Dan

When we were following each other round the paddock at Donington in 1979 did you note the chassis numbers on some of the Marches!

Chris

[Dan Rear]

Chris

No 'fraid not. My prog for that meeting, is odd for me at that time. By then, aged 16, I wasn't really into chassis numbers, yet the B48s are clearly marked in pencil. Can't remember that far back why and how I came across these details, or whether I later got them from an old A/Sport, and added them later, perhaps as some obscure Chevron research I carried out...

On the subject of Marches, the Travis 792, which I saw at Mallory in 82-84, when I was more into chassis nos. I've marked as -31. I think this was the ex-John Cooper/Kim car, used in Aurora '79, then Atlantic '81. I think, coincidentally, it was also entered at that Donington F2 race for Jordan.

Not much help I'm afraid !

Dan

[Dan Rear]

Back to '79 Atlantics chaps!. Just looked at my 30th May Mallory prog, I see that both Stokes and Wainwright are entered separately, Stokes in B42, Wayne in B45. I'd always thought they only had 1 car between them, owned by Stokes. Did they really have 2, if so this may be one of the 'mystery' Phoenix Park cars???

Also racing that day was Dave Allen in a Surtees TS10, don't think he started much that year, anyone know anything about him or this car??

[Chris Townsend]

Don't know much about Dave allen, but according to the Autosport report of the Race of Champions support race [F2/Atlantic] in 79 he had both TS10-05 and TS10-01 as a spare!

Wainwright's car couldn't have been a B45 - only four were built and I think I know where all four were in May 79 [01 in ZA; 02 and 03 in Japan; 04 Crawford] - so a modded B42 or Wayne being optimistic. Contemporary reports have him in a B42 in results, and I doubt he had two cars.

Chris

[allenbrown]

I remember seeing a pair of small formula Surtees at some racing car dealer in or around Crewe about 1980. Might have been those TS10s.

Might be worth checking the small ads for March/April time in 1980. I'm dating this purely from having a Crewe-based girlfriend at that time - can't imagine why else I'd have been there!

Allen

[Chris Townsend]

Allen

David Winstanley of Lodge Corner Agencies - who were out on the Cheshire plain somewhere near me (I was at uni near Stoke) - had those TS10s for sale for a while. I think that would be what you saw.

Chris

[allenbrown]

Chris

That's the man.

I also spent (drinking) time at some uni near Stoke about that time - someone on my BSc course went on there to do teacher training or something. Can't remember the name of the uni, all I rememeber was the bar and that the best way to get to the uni was to come off the motorway in the back of a M6 service area.

Same place?

Allen

[Dan Rear]

Allen

That must be Keele Uni I think, just about visible from the M6, and very close to the services of the same name. Lodge Corner agencies were around that area, so the 2 TS10s must have been the ex-Allen cars. I guess he got them from JS himself as a 'job lot'. Why else might you have been in Crewe, well there's only one thing its really famous for...

Chris, on the Wainwright Chevron, yes it would have been a B42, not 45, he didn't seem to get out much that year in it as I recall. At the time he was deemed a bit of a 'coming man', am I right in thinking that Stokes owned it. Stokes was a bit of a benefactor at that time, didn't he also help Stephen South in F3 just before then?

Dan