|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
5 Sep 2006, 02:08 (Ref:1701987) | #1 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 143
|
Who has the best Engine power
SBR used to have good straight line handling,Now its the HRT HSV group.
Have SBR gone backwards building so many customer engines,I think WPS DJR GRM have a better engine. FPR would be right behind HRT for power. |
||
|
5 Sep 2006, 02:15 (Ref:1701991) | #2 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,208
|
I think it is a myth that HMS have much more power. You need to watch the cars more carefully if you think that.
Getting a good run onto the straight does not equal more power. Maybe they have a very slight advantage, but it isn't as big as SBRs was over the rest of the entire field in 2003/2004. It certainly isn't 70 hp, not even 20 hp. They are figures from serial whinging exaggerators. |
||
|
5 Sep 2006, 02:28 (Ref:1701994) | #3 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 143
|
I never said HMS had 70hp more.
03 04 SBR didnt have that much more power they just got onto the straight better |
||
|
5 Sep 2006, 03:50 (Ref:1702002) | #4 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 186
|
the Benson FPR engines are good units.
Sector 2 is a good indicator to engine power, the WPS cars had it all over the SBR engines in that sector. |
||
|
5 Sep 2006, 04:03 (Ref:1702005) | #5 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,133
|
It's a fine line these days, between getting good drive out the corners and top grunt.
Sandown has always been a horsepower track, and it obviously showed on the weekend who has there engine package sorted. I happened to be up the back of the circuit on the weekend for a bit, and noticed that the HRT, HSV and occasionally the 888 cars, would hit the rev limiter for a few seconds, before the braking point. |
||
|
5 Sep 2006, 05:29 (Ref:1702017) | #6 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 176
|
just look at tracks like hidden valley this year. the HRT & toll cars were the ONLY ones on the limiter at the end of the straight. in the shootout, skaifey was on the limiter for 3 seconds from what i counted. i think FPR have the best ford engines.
|
||
__________________
<<HOLDEN RACING TEAM>> - - Skaife & Kelly - - |
5 Sep 2006, 06:51 (Ref:1702034) | #7 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,246
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
5 Sep 2006, 07:25 (Ref:1702043) | #8 | ||
Registered User
Racer
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 139
|
FPR def have the fasted Ford in the Field..
|
||
|
5 Sep 2006, 07:48 (Ref:1702058) | #9 | |||
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 432
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
5 Sep 2006, 09:55 (Ref:1702147) | #10 | |
Racer
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 364
|
I think you'll find that the HRT/HSV engines at both Qld and Sandown equated to about 2/10 ths a lap in advantage over SBEs.
Their cars gain about 3 car lengths on the straights. Could we see them hit 300kph at Bathurst......noting the diff only allows 298kph. People have to realise that track design has a huge part to play in any type of HP advantage. Qld, Sandown, and Bathurst have, and will show this. Bahrain will no doubt aswell, noting the layout. Last edited by Lowndesfan6; 5 Sep 2006 at 09:57. |
|
|
5 Sep 2006, 10:00 (Ref:1702151) | #11 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,382
|
I beleive it may have been Jose Fernandez that suggested that the HSV/HRT cars have 70hp over his Britek.
|
|
__________________
... without motorsport, what is sport? |
5 Sep 2006, 10:55 (Ref:1702204) | #12 | |
Veteran
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 1,123
|
How could anybody claim HRT have 70bhp over a competitor's engine? It's not the horsepower that gives the car grunt, it's torque and how well that torque is transferred to the ground. The HRT/HSV cars get out of corners very well. As a point of comparison, Lowndes' 888 car seems to have the best mid-corner speed in the field but the trade off is that its slower out of the corners and the terminal speed is therefore compromised.
Anyway, the best indicator will be the drag up mountain straight. All uphill and at the rev limiter in 5th. |
|
|
5 Sep 2006, 11:01 (Ref:1702208) | #13 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 938
|
Quote:
I am not whinging about it, it is just how it is at the moment, and sadly I don't see it changing before Bathurst...... |
|||
__________________
“Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. What you have to do is you have to say look; the fact of the matter is that I’m red hot, that Todd Kelly is a ******, I have always thought he was, and I was just mowing him down based on ability”. – Neil Crompton talking to Jamie Whincup, post Bathurst 2005. |
5 Sep 2006, 11:01 (Ref:1702209) | #14 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 910
|
An unnamed SBR team member from NZ who works on the #1 believes that they currently have a genuine horsepower deficit over HRT/Toll. He went on to believe that barring a miracle that Skaifey would take out Bathurst.
Another interesting point is that he said at the Qld round, Courtney would beat Ingall 9 times out of 10 if they were running the same set up. |
||
__________________
Razors Edge Events - Home of the Speed Demons Cup! 16 Managers, 15 Events. 1 Champion! |
5 Sep 2006, 11:12 (Ref:1702221) | #15 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,267
|
Referring to the question in this thread topic..
Anyone who has a breakfast of baked beans, cabbage and eggs would get the best top speed down a straight.... the engines are so close that au-natural power via nocuous gasses could provide additional thrust. |
||
__________________
I'm not saying "let's go and kill all the stupid people"... I'm just saying "let's remove all of the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out". |
5 Sep 2006, 12:22 (Ref:1702284) | #16 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,387
|
If the HRT cars don't have more power they wouldn't be putting in the times they are. Power is everything in this series as everything else is so controlled. From Tyres to Diff Ratios and Gearboxes, it is controlled so power is really the only area where anybody can get a clear advantage.
|
||
__________________
Life is all about Ass. You're either covering it, kissing it, kicking it, laughing it off, busting it or trying to get a piece of it. |
5 Sep 2006, 12:34 (Ref:1702291) | #17 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,246
|
Wouldnt you think though with the nature of the locked diff's, theres alot to be gained by good power down?
|
||
|
5 Sep 2006, 21:00 (Ref:1702754) | #18 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2003
Posts: 952
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
5 Sep 2006, 21:06 (Ref:1702757) | #19 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,387
|
Yes good luck to them but i think the engine components are going to get even more controlled making it harder to get any advantage as far as power goes.
|
||
__________________
Life is all about Ass. You're either covering it, kissing it, kicking it, laughing it off, busting it or trying to get a piece of it. |
6 Sep 2006, 02:33 (Ref:1702882) | #20 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 8,782
|
HOLDEN
Walkinshaw Performance - HRT/Toll HSVDT Harrop - Tasman Perkins - JDR/PWR PMM - PMM/TKR/AutoBarn FORD Prodrive - FPR SBRE - 888 DJR - DJR SBRE - SBR SBRE - BJR Prodrive - Britek |
||
|
7 Sep 2006, 00:28 (Ref:1703855) | #21 | |||||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 2,208
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
I don't think HMS have the same or less horsepower than others. I just don't think its a huge variance. Its very easy just to say "well they have more power, what can we do?". |
|||||
|
7 Sep 2006, 01:01 (Ref:1703870) | #22 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 6,387
|
Quote:
Well i asked somebody who should know. Maybe Bazil will come on and give his view on it. |
|||
__________________
Life is all about Ass. You're either covering it, kissing it, kicking it, laughing it off, busting it or trying to get a piece of it. |
14 Sep 2006, 08:51 (Ref:1710023) | #23 | ||
Racer
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 143
|
The question was who had the most engine power.
Not Who got there power down the best Not who had the most aero drag Not who had the most mechanical drag Not who's gear changes are the slowest All of which will effect straight line speed but not power of the engine |
||
|
14 Sep 2006, 10:09 (Ref:1710070) | #24 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 917
|
Quote:
|
|||
__________________
888 LOWNDES/WHINCUP 2006-2007-2008 BATHURST 1000 WINNERS !!!! Whincup 2008 champion !-the mighty team 888-now FG for 2009 champion ! 'those who choose to ignore history are are doomed to repeat it' |
14 Sep 2006, 10:17 (Ref:1710074) | #25 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 917
|
Quote:
Skaife has said on TV early in the season his team has good car speed this year-what does that mean? it means he is quicker than his opposition! DOH! Last edited by Grimace; 14 Sep 2006 at 10:22. |
|||
__________________
888 LOWNDES/WHINCUP 2006-2007-2008 BATHURST 1000 WINNERS !!!! Whincup 2008 champion !-the mighty team 888-now FG for 2009 champion ! 'those who choose to ignore history are are doomed to repeat it' |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
FF1600 Engine Power | Redracer77 | Club Level Single Seaters | 72 | 29 Jun 2004 18:37 |
Engine power | pirenzo | Sportscar & GT Racing | 38 | 27 Jan 2003 18:04 |
Toyota's Engine Power | Mark F1 | Formula One | 27 | 19 Jan 2002 23:30 |
Changing engine POWER ? | renaultbel | Formula One | 1 | 21 Jul 2001 14:36 |
Engine Horse Power | BBKing | Formula One | 6 | 30 Jun 2001 01:37 |