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In fact, Fiat Chrysler (FCA) announced in 2014 that they would be spinning off Ferrari, which they commenced in 2015, completing the IPO in early 2016. It is now a completely separate company to FCA, with it's shares listed on the New York Stock Exchange. The only connection between FCA and Ferrari is that they share the same chairman, Marchionne. |
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I'll enjoy seeing Alfa back in the sport of only in...name..and if only for..cynical political purposes.
Still, it'd be nice to see the logo in F1. |
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Not wanting to digress from the thread, I couldn't find anything on the marketing rights, though Philip Morris renewed their sponsorship of Ferrari in September this year.
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Only going off Wikipedia information, the details given are that as part of the FIAT reorganisation, FIAT Chrysler Automobile (FCA) broke off ownership of Ferrari. 'The separation began in October 2015 with a restructuring that established Ferrari N.V. (a company incorporated in the Netherlands) as the new holding company of the Ferrari group and the subsequent sale by FCA of 10% of the shares in an IPO and concurrent listing of common shares on the New York Stock Exchange. Through the remaining steps of the separation, FCA's interest in Ferrari's business was distributed to shareholders of FCA, with 10% continuing to be owned by Piero Ferrari. The spin-off was completed on 3 January 2016.' I understand that Marchione is the CEO of both Ferrari and FCA, and that there may be a lot of common shareholders, but legally they are two separate companies with entirely different ownership. How that affects the topic of this thread, I am unsure. I would imagine though that owners of FCA shares (and subsequently those with a stake in Alfa-Romeo-Sauber) are not by default automatically concerned with Ferrari's own performance. Alfa-Romeo-Sauber may however be Marchione's foothold in F1 though if he goes ahead with the threat to take Ferrari elsewhere. And as a title sponsor, without actually supplying much in the way of components, it makes sense for Alfa-Romeo. |
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Today, the Agnelli family's holding through their investment vehicle is down to 25.8% of Ferrari NV Race. They have been selling off their shares very gently since the IPO from the original, or so I believe, 33%. Life's too short to get into more delving, and anyway, who knows who really owns all the shares when a lot of them are held by nominees on behalf of the beneficial owners. |
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In addition to Alfa Romeo-Sauber it seems that now we could also have Maserati-Haas next year. All cars with Ferrari engines.
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/maserat...to-formula-one My question is: How different or how similar could this Alfa Romeo-Sauber or Maserati-Haas be on the Ferrari SF18-H? How far do the regulations allow them to get closer? 6 Ferraris in the grid could be very useful to subtract points to Hamilton on the tracks that the Ferrari is competitive as it happened several times this year. |
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In that mood, F1 is copying MotoGP. Despite each team hast to build their own chassis, is the engine manufacturer works team and the engine manufacturer satellite teams.
Ferrari, with the Sauber-Alfa and Haas-Maserati is just copying RBR with Toro Rosso or Honda with Super Aguri. |
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All out power units are identical, but these are those of other manufacturers, and they don't carry the premium price of the Ferrari units. |
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Besides, what does Ferrari win with this? There were already 2 Sauber and 2 Haas this year that were crawling on the track and this situation did not serve to Ferrari in this way. Ferrari need a lot of competitive cars in the way to subtract points Hamilton in the tracks where the Ferrari goes very well. |
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I am far from sure that it will serve Maserati well to re-enter F1 by moving into what seems to be a third-rate (or at least a rather unproven) team.
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You would have imagined that with Haas being American coupled with Liberty's aim to have more US races, that FCA would have out Chrysler on the cars?
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Putting out an American brand would be a wasted marketing opportunity when viewed as a global series, so lets have yet another Italian brand? That doesn't really make sense...
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Im pretty sure it is sarcasm.... well before Tag Heuer we had Ford badged Cosworth DFVs, plus countless cases of badge engineering around the world in road cars.
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The DFV was a bit more than just a re-badging exercise. When Colin Chapman approached Keith Duckworth and Mike Costin to produce a 3 litre F1 engine, they needed development budget of £100,000, so Chapman went to Ford, with whom he had previously worked when producing the Lotus Cortina.
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