LMP2 Manufacturers and Engine Suppliers - Page 69

HORNDAWG · 28 Apr 2016, 15:02 (Ref:3636926)

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Originally Posted by BrentJackson

The fact that Oreca and Onroak outright own the market, that's what. With support that close by (and most of the teams are based in France, Britain or Germany) it makes it easy to do complete service, whereas a Multimatic car will have to be serviced as best as their facilities allow, but busted tubs will probably end up having to be shipped to Canada for repairs, which is a major logistical headache and extra costs for all involved. I'm with Maelochs on this one, and with GM probably working with Dallara, its gonna make selling more cars very hard for Riley and Multimatic, but in the latter's case that's probably a good thing as they are up to their necks in the Ford GT program and making the road cars.

Hmm, has always worked the other way. You know, when ANY past CF chassis needed major repairs or replacement it had to go to or come from the other side of the Pond. But don't let history/precedent get in the way.

L.P.

Deleted · 28 Apr 2016, 16:32 (Ref:3636942)

Baron says the spec ACO Zytek and other spec components equal to 20% budget savings
http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/12885...017-p2-program

He also says that now he's able to bring that spec P2 to anywhere in the world. Even though that has been the case for years already had he retained the HPD...

**joeb** · 28 Apr 2016, 18:38 (Ref:3636963)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Baron says the spec ACO Zytek and other spec components equal to 20% budget savings
http://www.racer.com/imsa/item/12885...017-p2-program

Good to hear an update from Starworks. A 20% reduction would equal a savings of $700,000 to $900,000 on the prices he said current runners spend.

Deleted · 28 Apr 2016, 18:57 (Ref:3636969)

I wonder how much $$$ "savings" there are in running the spec Hoosier-Contis, instead if the formula was open like in rest of the world.

Matt · 29 Apr 2016, 20:38 (Ref:3637213)

Lots.

Deleted · 29 Apr 2016, 20:48 (Ref:3637214)

And this is based on what exactly? Guesses? The presumption that just because it's made spec (by organizers greed for sponsor money) it automatically means cheaper?

The open tires LMP2 teams use are not exactly confidentials like the Mics and Dunlops in LMP1 and LMGTE(-PRO) are.

Because multi stinting is next to useless in IMSA due to the lame pit rules of simultaneous fueling and tires, you also end up spending more on extra sets than you would elsewhere.

Also any team taking part in Le Mans will have to dump those Hoosier-Contis of course, if they don't want to suck that is, so there's the inevitable middle season change for those teams too.

TF110 · 29 Apr 2016, 22:41 (Ref:3637237)

If they're a control tire, what stops them or the series from dictating higher and higher prices? Pirelli tires in f1 come at a pretty penny and they aren't sitting well with the teams.

Deleted · 1 May 2016, 12:57 (Ref:3637514)

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Originally Posted by TF110

If they're a control tire, what stops them or the series from dictating higher and higher prices? Pirelli tires in f1 come at a pretty penny and they aren't sitting well with the teams.

Nothing. You're right

Mike E · 5 May 2016, 07:16 (Ref:3638697)

Dunlop tweeted this yesterday. Can't find any actual news on it. Have they jumped the gun?

Dunlop Motorsport (@DunlopMSport) tweeted at 6:44pm - 4 May 16:

Great news for #ELMS #WEC teams: UK Prototype Series announces new package to convert older #LMP2 cars. More info @BritcarNews #Endurance (https://twitter.com/DunlopMSport/sta...155292160?s=17)

Deleted · 5 May 2016, 08:08 (Ref:3638704)

So it will probably come the most technologically advanced (even with old open tops) and varied prototype series in regional Europe, what with the dumbing down of ELMS? Add to that that they have CNs and mix of other weirdo baby protos there as well.

Speed-King · 5 May 2016, 08:11 (Ref:3638706)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

So it will probably come the most technologically advanced (even with old open tops) and varied prototype series in regional Europe, what with the dumbing down of ELMS? Add to that that they have CNs and mix of other weirdo baby protos there as well.

Eh, wouldn't hold my breath before they get consistent grids of more than a dozen cars and survive for more than a season or two.

There have been plenty of attempts at setting up new prototype series in the not too distant past, all of them fell on their faces....

Deleted · 5 May 2016, 08:14 (Ref:3638707)

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Originally Posted by Speed-King

Eh, wouldn't hold my breath before they get consistent grids of more than a dozen cars and survive for more than a season or two.

There have been plenty of attempts at setting up new prototype series in the not too distant past, all of them fell on their faces....

I mean, theoretically allowed to become such

I know the reality isn't always so, but at least it would be possible. Let's stay positive

In the brand new world of ELMS, there are no theories left, only spec.

Anyway, there was also that other new UK series (at least I think it had nothing to do with this one) that was starting to run full-on LMP3 cars too in the near future.

Mike E · 5 May 2016, 09:07 (Ref:3638720)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Anyway, there was also that other new UK series (at least I think it had nothing to do with this one) that was starting to run full-on LMP3 cars too in the near future.

I think this is the same series.

Deleted · 5 May 2016, 09:27 (Ref:3638722)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

I think this is the same series.

Welll that would only make it better!

Speed-King · 5 May 2016, 09:31 (Ref:3638724)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

Welll that would only make it better!

Naw, there's two. The one already running this year from the Britcar guys and the new for 2017 one from Bute/MSV.

kvenom · 5 May 2016, 16:12 (Ref:3638849)

All these new "technical partnerships" in LMP2 make it just seem like OAK vs. G-Drive Haha.

Deleted · 5 May 2016, 19:44 (Ref:3638924)

So Oreca is planning to title the new 2017 spec LMP2 as Oreca 07? I don't get it, why skip 06? At least 03 and 05 naming schemes made certain logical sense if you know the background of their model history.

Oh well it could be worse, the R18 mess

carbon_titanium · 5 May 2016, 19:53 (Ref:3638929)

as far I know is a french tradition to don't use square numbers for their racing car name

Deleted · 5 May 2016, 19:58 (Ref:3638933)

Didn't they refer the stillborn Oreca 02 as just 02? You know the LMP1 car in development for 2011 but which never actually materialized? Or would they have rebranded that as 03 and rebranded actually existing 03 open top LMP2 as 05?

Though as I've said before. the FLM09-Oreca-Courage could theoretically be the 02 between the two, just as the R-One/04 connects the 03 and 05.

carbon_titanium · 5 May 2016, 20:00 (Ref:3638937)

the lmpc is based on the courage lc75 if am I not wrong, that was the base of the oreca 01 judd too... maybe should be called oreca -01

Deleted · 5 May 2016, 20:02 (Ref:3638938)

Oreca 00

Deleted · 9 May 2016, 11:13 (Ref:3640304)

Beaumesnil confirms all open tops are still eligible next year (except IMSA). As I've been saying all along

Mike E · 9 May 2016, 11:18 (Ref:3640306)

Tiga Cars are working on a Chevy V8 engine package for obsolete LMP2s.

http://www.tigaracecars.com/cars/le-mans-prototypes

hondafan37 · 9 May 2016, 16:17 (Ref:3640385)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

Tiga Cars are working on a Chevy V8 engine package for obsolete LMP2s.

http://www.tigaracecars.com/cars/le-mans-prototypes

I like that other series pick the variety that the Le Mans Series will lose on its way to the spec.

Rcz · 9 May 2016, 18:55 (Ref:3640428)

Lol, the new PC car

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