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Old 28 Nov 2017, 20:09 (Ref:3783840)   #226
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Old 10 Dec 2017, 01:14 (Ref:3786089)   #227
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Heard some rumours that the BMW Compact Cup might be a support race? Anyone else heard this?
Understand today that the Compact Cup will actually be support for TCR at Castle Combe 3 June, Oulton Park 15 July, and Donington 13 October.
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 13:10 (Ref:3786285)   #228
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Anyone else think this has gone a little quiet after a massive amount of initial interest?
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 14:02 (Ref:3786293)   #229
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certainly has. after all the over-hype and the supposed humongous amount of potential entries i confidently predict the grid will be very very poor.

the series will be not much more than just over expensive club racing
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 14:03 (Ref:3786295)   #230
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Wonder if the TCR/WTCC has anything to do with it? Doubt it has, but you never know
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 14:20 (Ref:3786298)   #231
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Wonder if the TCR/WTCC has anything to do with it? Doubt it has, but you never know
nothing to do with it. cost of doing that would be massively more expensive than UK. look at the €160,000 entry fee alone!
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 15:20 (Ref:3786313)   #232
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Anyone else think this has gone a little quiet after a massive amount of initial interest?
The point of the initial hype was to get teams and drivers thinking about TCR, which is exactly what has happened. You'll now get a period of lull whilst teams and drivers work behind closed doors to do the negotiations and try to find the budget.

Those running a two-car team will probably wait until both seats are filled before announcing anything.
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 15:20 (Ref:3786314)   #233
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I think maybe wait till January before start worrying about it no announcements
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 17:10 (Ref:3786332)   #234
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certainly has. after all the over-hype and the supposed humongous amount of potential entries i confidently predict the grid will be very very poor.

the series will be not much more than just over expensive club racing
Thought we were talking TCR not BTCC
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 22:53 (Ref:3786408)   #235
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I think maybe wait till January before start worrying about it no announcements
Exactly.

It's hardly like the BTCC is awash with announcements at the moment. And this is a 100% new series, there will be an element of caution!
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Old 12 Dec 2017, 16:20 (Ref:3786586)   #236
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Lewis Kent to drive Hyundai i30N TCR:

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Old 12 Dec 2017, 17:03 (Ref:3786591)   #237
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Great news

Would love to see a field of 20+ cars.
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Old 15 Dec 2017, 10:10 (Ref:3787191)   #238
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not a good sign. one of the first to commit is pulling out before its even started.

https://www.touringcartimes.com/2017...-uk-programme/
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Old 15 Dec 2017, 12:21 (Ref:3787223)   #239
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Now that is a concern for the series
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Old 15 Dec 2017, 13:41 (Ref:3787249)   #240
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The interest in this series seems not to be as big as it was initially expected.
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Old 15 Dec 2017, 17:46 (Ref:3787290)   #241
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The numbers will be no where near high as expected.

The problem is TCR is aimed to be a "cheaper touring car series" compared to say BTCC but the reality is that it is not cheap at all.

The cars cost 100k+ for starters. So expect an arrive and drive season to cost well in excess of 100K, drivers with that sort of money may as well look at doing BTCC.

Great idea in theory but the reality is cold, dark and expensive!
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Old 15 Dec 2017, 18:22 (Ref:3787295)   #242
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The numbers will be no where near high as expected.

The problem is TCR is aimed to be a "cheaper touring car series" compared to say BTCC but the reality is that it is not cheap at all.

The cars cost 100k+ for starters. So expect an arrive and drive season to cost well in excess of 100K, drivers with that sort of money may as well look at doing BTCC.

Great idea in theory but the reality is cold, dark and expensive!
much more than 100k for the season! good teams are quoting nearly 200k plus extra testing costs. thats stupidly expensive for basically club racing with 7 events, no tv coverage, no spectators and no profile. i bet if a driver went to somehwere like team Hard with that sort of money for a full season in btcc they would immediately sign them!
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Old 15 Dec 2017, 20:57 (Ref:3787329)   #243
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much more than 100k for the season! good teams are quoting nearly 200k plus extra testing costs. thats stupidly expensive for basically club racing with 7 events, no tv coverage, no spectators and no profile. i bet if a driver went to somehwere like team Hard with that sort of money for a full season in btcc they would immediately sign them!
Why you think Mike Bushell went from testing Pyros Honda to getting a TeamHARD BTCC drive
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Old 20 Dec 2017, 17:25 (Ref:3788375)   #244
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People kept banging on about how much cheaper a TCR car is to buy than build/buy a BTCC car. Which misses the bigger picture.

A team builds a BTCC car to uses for several years as an investment and a driver has to show to sponsors how much return they get for their investment.

If you have one established series in the market, with solid spectator and viewing figures, not to mention online following, and a start-up, the safe bet is still on the established house.

This is why TCR UK will be slow to build up. If you want to gain talented drivers who use sponsorship they have found to fund their motorsport career, TCR isn't the place to go until the series has built up an audience. TCR UK appeals to drivers who have earned enough money from other parts of their lives to then go racing, without having to pitch for sponsors.

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Old 20 Dec 2017, 23:01 (Ref:3788423)   #245
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I agree Bob.

Getting a sponsor to hand over their hard earned marketing budget for stickers on a race car requires the sponsor to see a potential for a return on that investment.

The BTCC is a pitch where solid figures can be given: X TV viewers, Y spectators at the venue. No doubt market researchers will have figures as to age/sex/interests/wealth of viewers too. All the sort of things a marketeer wants to know.

TCR: stick finger in air and guesstimate number of bums on seats.

Frankly I would think the BTCC support acts of Clios etc would be an easier sell than TCR.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 07:55 (Ref:3788478)   #246
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Frankly I would think the BTCC support acts of Clios etc would be an easier sell than TCR.
They absolutely are.
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Old 21 Dec 2017, 11:33 (Ref:3788496)   #247
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Absolutely agree. There are numerous talented drivers who cannot raise the funding for BTCC and to many who can without the talent, as we have seen for to many seasons.
TCR UK will provide the opportunity for talented drivers to feature in a saloon car championship with a reasonable budget.
Lets not kid ourselves however that it is another feeder for BTCC, that still remains to be cheque book racing without talent as we have experienced over many seasons. But it will still be an opportunity for many of talented drivers to star
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Information that I have received is the TCR UK series has 3 confirmed entries for the 2018 season. The series is likely to be canned for the 2018 season and re-launched for 2019.
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