Grp C/Grp A/V8SC 'Where are they now?' continued...

[DAVID PATERSON]

If the car was first logbooked in 1989, there is no way it will be accepted as a Group C Car. The Group C association insist that the car must have raced as a Group C car prior to 1985. In fact, CAMS have not and will not issue a Group C logbook since 1985. Also, 2D is the old classification for Sports Sedans, prior to their reclassification in category 3 a few years ago.

[drbob]

David theoretically there may have been an earlier log book and the 89 logbook was just a new one when it was turned into a sports sedan
Further sleuthing shows that the car on Akka's flyer is the same one as the pictures in the logbook and the same car as the ebay photos. The plot thickens It's not Witter's real ex Group C Commodore ( he ran it as a sports sedan) on the flyer as I originally thought. The heading on Akka's flyer "Group C Commodore" must be wrong. At least I think it is highly likely at this stage..... still sleuthing.....

[terryobeirne]

I also am a local and made numberous calls to the seller. if that exact car had a prior GpC log book, the current book would be clearly marked either "replacement" or "continuation" I was told this was not the case.

[rdmdog]

Word is there was an Rx7 at Oran on the weekend, only on a trailer, that was an Ex Hansford one, sorry I dont have any more info but you would assume it may have been for sale. May Be of some help Lloyd12a!!!

[AussieV8]

Very interesting will have to look around the for sale sites...

[johnny yuma]

VH Group C Commodore topic.Try C&W Patterson,Burleigh Waters,

white pages online.I knew Chris at the ARDC,his wife's first name starts W,probably same couple....

IMHO ALL this racing history nonsense must stop or we'll run out of historic sedans altogether.

[XW GT]

Originally Posted by pete60

I think that was chassis#2...it ended its days against the fence at Lakeside and Ryman then purchased GSR#6. That car went to the Seiders team and I think might be the car run as a sports sedan by Rod Smith in Victoria.

I am pretty sure that the car is currently owned by Brian Edhouse (ex Saloon Car racer). Brian runs the car as a Sports Sedan in WA.

[Nivola]

XWGT there is no chasis over here in WA racing mate. The only falcon or crapadoor is the Vince Falcon that i think was a Shell DJR chasis.

[Scott F]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

If the car was first logbooked in 1989, there is no way it will be accepted as a Group C Car. The Group C association insist that the car must have raced as a Group C car prior to 1985. In fact, CAMS have not and will not issue a Group C logbook since 1985. Also, 2D is the old classification for Sports Sedans, prior to their reclassification in category 3 a few years ago.

Firstly the Group C Association has no say in whether a car is eligible or not. This is the role of the CAMS appointed eligibility officers and the Historic Commission. For a car to be eligible for Historic Group C the car must have been issued with a Group C Log book and have Group C competition history from the Group C period. This clearly stated in the Historic Group C regs in the current CAMS manual.

Also it is possible that a totally new 2/3D logbook for the car was issued. Logbooks do not neccessarily tell the whole story.

To demonstrate the car is what is claimed the owner must demonstrate clear line of ownership supported by each owner, log books, photos and race results from the period. If this cannot clearly be done then the car may not be accepted by CAMS. Before the purchase of any Historic car buyers must satisfy themselves of this history. Remember log books are not neccessarily enough evidence.

If you have any doubts talk to the eligibily officer about the evidence provided by the seller. The officers are Frank Lowndes in Vic and Vince Macri in NSW. See the CAMS Historic web site for more info.

With Group C/A cars now attracting big money buyers must be very cautious - remember there are a bunch of log books floating around for cars that are long gone. CAMS are well aware of this hence the need for other supporting evidence.

[lloyd12a]

Originally Posted by rdmdog

Word is there was an Rx7 at Oran on the weekend, only on a trailer, that was an Ex Hansford one, sorry I dont have any more info but you would assume it may have been for sale. May Be of some help Lloyd12a!!!

Thanx for that i've been talking to Jack (owner)about the car,but undesided if he'll sell.He has 2 other GRP C cars aswell a A9x & Carpi.

[mtpanorama]

Looks like Terry is selling one of the family
http://www.my105.com/classified.asp?id=6114

[pete55]

Originally Posted by mtpanorama

Looks like Terry is selling one of the family
http://www.my105.com/classified.asp?id=6114

It previously had a well known driver as well.

[jd yort]

And he is selling this one too. Wonder if he is going to part with that Exa he has??.

http://www.my105.com/classified.asp?id=5532

[David Towe]

He's having a rethink about what to keep, if it didn't win a championship it will probably come up for sale in the near future.

[XW GT]

Originally Posted by Nivola

XWGT there is no chasis over here in WA racing mate. The only falcon or crapadoor is the Vince Falcon that i think was a Shell DJR chasis.

Brian Edhouse has been in Melbourne for a few years with his work. He has recently returned to WA and taken the car with him. I reckon it will appear soon. Why doen't you phone him and ask him about the car?

[Nivola]

xw gt this is good news then for us in WA we get starved of good cars!

Except the alfa then nothing really. (ultra, porsche 968 badass and Simons Bmw)

I here the Veskanda was going back east.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by jd yort

And he is selling this one too. Wonder if he is going to part with that Exa he has??.

http://www.my105.com/classified.asp?id=5532

Unless I am very much mistaken, the whole collection was going for a tickle over $300k originally... $125k for a chassis that is an orphan in the world, and only really of collectible value to a Nissanophile or indeed a Seton fanatic... may be a little optimistic.

The Gazelle was an interesting car... if you recall the road version which was a POS... and indeed the story around the lead driver, and now multiple touring car and Bathurst chanpion perhaps helping the codriver, part of a senior Nissan dealership in SA at the time, to get qualified for the Great Race of 1987....

[jd yort]

Hey GTR, what did the whole collection entail??

I knew he had the Skyline and the Gazelle currently on my105, plus the Skyline he races and the Exa.

Does he have a GTR too?? Any others??

[DAVID PATERSON]

Thge whole collection was a Bluebird, the EXA, the Gazelle, a DR30, a HR31 and an R32 GT-R.

[David Towe]

Not just any Bluebird, it is in fact the lap record winning car of George Fury. It is immaculate.

[Sultan]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

Thge whole collection was a Bluebird, the EXA, the Gazelle, a DR30, a HR31 and an R32 GT-R.

IIRC wasn't it 2 DR 30's & 2 HR31's? Hell whatever it's an awesome collection!

[pete60]

There are 2 HR31s in the collection..one was bought in the mid 90's from Fred Gibson which lead to the discussion a few years later about selling the Gibson collection ( which included another HR31).

[David Towe]

I think you'll find that car was actually sold to Rod Markland a couple of years ago. It was replaced by the cars that were in Gibsons possession at the time of the bulk purchase.

[mtpanorama]

LLoyd 12a,
I just came across this, I dont know how old the add is

http://www.my105.com.au/classified.asp?id=6225

[GTRMagic]

It was in MN this week, so presumably reasonably new... isnt this the car that is mentioned earlier in this thread where the provenance looked a bit doubtful??