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Old 17 Feb 2018, 08:45 (Ref:3801958)   #76
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I don't know of any other series where tyres aren't a free allocation for testing. Is it a "cost saving" measure? If so, Penske would like a word...
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Old 17 Feb 2018, 09:33 (Ref:3801963)   #77
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And in the top series of the world, NASCAR/F1/DTM etc, do they make their racing toys run on worn, 2 year old rubber in testing, or brand new shiny allocations for everyone to use at that test only, any way they see fit?
...and of course their budgets are dramatically higher than VASC teams plus no-one "makes" teams run around on worn, 2 year old rubber in testing but if teams choose to use that older rubber rather than some of their more recent, better condition tyres (most likely kept for race meetings) then that is a choice the teams make.

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I don't know of any other series where tyres aren't a free allocation for testing. Is it a "cost saving" measure? If so, Penske would like a word...
It is a cost saving measure and there's no evidence that the tyre let go simply because of its age - may well have sliced it on the inside of a kerb or something like that.
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Old 18 Feb 2018, 00:04 (Ref:3802081)   #78
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It is a cost saving measure and there's no evidence that the tyre let go simply because of its age - may well have sliced it on the inside of a kerb or something like that.
They already cap costs with limiting testing days and they could allow a set number of testing only tyres (maybe 2 to 3 sets) which in the grand scheme of things would be pennies. Regulations which place teams in a position where they're running rubber which isn't only quite old but also a different spec to what they'll be using makes little sense, is frustrating for teams and adds nothing to the spectacle.

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Old 18 Feb 2018, 01:02 (Ref:3802085)   #79
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plus no-one "makes" teams run around on worn, 2 year old rubber in testing but if teams choose to use that older rubber rather than some of their more recent, better condition tyres (most likely kept for race meetings) then that is a choice the teams make.
With the current rules, they do effectively make teams run old tyres.

Especially as the day meant nothing more than just a shakedown that wasted a test day for everyone. The tyres aren't what is being used so everyone wobbled around on old stock. The day wasn't even much of a season launch because it was on a weekday so most fans can't attend. Was the reason for the test mainly so the Supercars family can have a family catchup and pat eachother on the back before the season starts?

Imagine if we had a few tyre brands still involved in the series, a mid-week test like that could have featured some tyre testing and teams doing actual development that will help them during the season....
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They already cap costs with limiting testing days and they could allow a set number of testing only tyres (maybe 2 to 3 sets) which in the grand scheme of things would be pennies. Regulations which place teams in a position where they're running rubber which isn't only quite old but also a different spec to what they'll be using makes little sense, is frustrating for teams and adds nothing to the spectacle.
You make it sound as if the decision makers and the teams are separate - but they are not.

The teams make these decisions as they elect the board members and the board members are team principals.
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Old 18 Feb 2018, 06:16 (Ref:3802098)   #81
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Old 18 Feb 2018, 12:09 (Ref:3802149)   #82
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You make it sound as if the decision makers and the teams are separate - but they are not.

The teams make these decisions as they elect the board members and the board members are team principals.
I'd love to know of a team who believes this allocation decision is their preference. Trundling around on irrelevant rubber to save 12k a season.
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They already cap costs with limiting testing days and they could allow a set number of testing only tyres (maybe 2 to 3 sets) which in the grand scheme of things would be pennies. Regulations which place teams in a position where they're running rubber which isn't only quite old but also a different spec to what they'll be using makes little sense, is frustrating for teams and adds nothing to the spectacle.
Each car is permitted a tyre bank of 20 sets, which can be swapped between cars on a team for testing. The bank is a rolling total, as newer tyres go into the bank, older ones get removed.

If teams choose to keep and test with supposedly 2 year old, knackered tyres they are doing so out of choice, rather than being "made" to do so.

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With the current rules, they do effectively make teams run old tyres.

Was the reason for the test mainly so the Supercars family can have a family catchup and pat eachother on the back before the season starts?
As mentioned above, I don't believe that that the rules effectively make teams run on very old tyres for testing. They certainly can only use tyres from their bank however and most of those will have been run already.

A lot of the reason for the test is to get media footage, images etc to be used through the season along with the launch event for media.
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I'd love to know of a team who believes this allocation decision is their preference. Trundling around on irrelevant rubber to save 12k a season.
Rod Nash and Brad Jones currently, and for 13 years until 2017, Roland Dane?
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As an engineer I'd just find it incredibly frustrating with more cons than pros, but it is what it is.

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The teams sign up for this.

If they don't like the rules, they can lobby to have them changed, or go play in some other sandpit.
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