Will Penske Just Do It?? - Page 2

Trevor · 9 Dec 2013, 05:31 (Ref:3341829)

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Originally Posted by rik

Only just over 2 months to source/build cars, workshop, hire staff, and hit the track.

Sounds like there could be up to 5 Holdens and 1 Merc from this year parked in sheds next season.

Penske run Ford in Nascar and Chevrolet in Indy.

You could buy the 'teams' that are leaving, they probably have staff, transporter's, cars, etc

Fiore?
Webb?
?

Umai Naa · 9 Dec 2013, 07:02 (Ref:3341848)

Plenty of soon-to-be-unwanted assets on the market.

If he wants to go down that path, he'd want to extract the digit and act now.

FPV8U · 9 Dec 2013, 07:35 (Ref:3341853)

Do FPR or Djr have any new Chassis in the pipeline for 2014?

Seeing as Penske's involvement seems set to include the Blue Oval whether they go alone or tie into a current team if their are to be REC's purchased this (Chassis avaliable) would be the controlling factor.

bluesport · 9 Dec 2013, 07:57 (Ref:3341862)

Looking at the experiences of others that have entered the series, I can't see Penske having rapid success unless they buy FPR, or if they buy DJR with links to FPR and secure the right drivers.........it would be good for the series to secure Ford 'long term' now that media reports suggest that holden will be gone in 2016.

naca · 9 Dec 2013, 08:53 (Ref:3341888)

Had a thought, could Ford be getting Penske to do the design work/studies for the replacement for the Falcon in V8SC ? They certainly have a LOT more engineering resources than FPR would ever hope to have.

Gaz170 · 9 Dec 2013, 09:38 (Ref:3341895)

Here's an absolutely crazy thought. Penske buys 2 recs, sources 2 cars from FPR and runs them out of the DJR workshops in partnership with Dick, pointing to an eventual buyout of DJR.

No proof, just a crazy idea.

Umai Naa · 9 Dec 2013, 09:42 (Ref:3341897)

They could also take over the PMM facilities, which do in fact, have the capacity to knock cars together from scratch.

david5 · 9 Dec 2013, 11:29 (Ref:3341917)

Dicks workshop was capable of building cars in the past. Wasn't it more a case of the people building them not being able to build competitive cars than a poor workshop.

Driver TBA · 9 Dec 2013, 12:11 (Ref:3341925)

Interesting that Ford's global motorsport boss tagged along too.

From what I understand Ford are keen on remaining in the sport, but the PR people are worried of the poor image it could create if/when Ford try to exit Australia earlier.
Poor hard working Joe Blogs from Broady loses his job, all while Ford tip in 7 figure sums to go car racing with drivers that earn high 6 figures...
Hence the hushed 1 year deal to FPR.

Having Penske do all the heavy lifting for them for the next few years might be easier PR wise.

mountainstar · 9 Dec 2013, 16:35 (Ref:3342000)

Penske has been around for 50 years and been there, done that in just about every major series in the world. I think Ford is looking for a fresh perspective on things and to see if Penske magic can work for them down under. It's the smart thing to do for Ford. Prodrive was always distant about their involvement with FPR, that will not be the case with Penske.

Also the Falcon may be dead but the Mustang platform is going to be used for a sedan.

fomoco · 9 Dec 2013, 19:36 (Ref:3342042)

It would be good to see, but if this is any to go by, we will be racing Eco-boost Focus , I dont believe a word from Fords man in Aust Bob (dribble bullshit) G. still Roger and his crew could knock out a Focus with some grunt, albeit from Eco-boost 4 cyl

http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/12/10/...ey-v8s-future/

fomoco · 9 Dec 2013, 19:39 (Ref:3342043)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

Penske has been around for 50 years and been there, done that in just about every major series in the world. I think Ford is looking for a fresh perspective on things and to see if Penske magic can work for them down under. It's the smart thing to do for Ford. Prodrive was always distant about their involvement with FPR, that will not be the case with Penske.

Also the Falcon may be dead but the Mustang platform is going to be used for a sedan.

Yep that will work, Prodrive was a failure , suprised it took that long to work it out, just have to get the V8 Spercar management to change the regs to allow hte mustang to run, also, our friends over at holden will be looking for a new car from Chevy to replace the Commodore.

fomoco · 9 Dec 2013, 20:23 (Ref:3342063)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mountainstar

Penske has been around for 50 years and been there, done that in just about every major series in the world. I think Ford is looking for a fresh perspective on things and to see if Penske magic can work for them down under. It's the smart thing to do for Ford. Prodrive was always distant about their involvement with FPR, that will not be the case with Penske.

Also the Falcon may be dead but the Mustang platform is going to be used for a sedan.

When asked why Ford will persist with the atmo V6 (which develops 220kW and 366Nm), Fascetti said that it was all down to customer preference in the United States and Canada.

The World according to god damm god bless: So it will work every where else.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/578...of-muscle-ford

Chris - Melb · 9 Dec 2013, 21:49 (Ref:3342104)

Quote:

Originally Posted by fomoco

Yep that will work, Prodrive was a failure , suprised it took that long to work it out, just have to get the V8 Spercar management to change the regs to allow hte mustang to run, also, our friends over at holden will be looking for a new car from Chevy to replace the Commodore.

Mustang Vs Camaro? I'd like to see that!

Chris - Melb · 9 Dec 2013, 21:56 (Ref:3342112)

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Originally Posted by fomoco

When asked why Ford will persist with the atmo V6 (which develops 220kW and 366Nm), Fascetti said that it was all down to customer preference in the United States and Canada.

The World according to god damm god bless: So it will work every where else.
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/578...of-muscle-ford

To be fair Ford will offer the superior in-line four too.

But which to choose? Practicality and superior dynamics of the four-cylinder Ecoboost, or the rumble of a V8 with the inherent dangers of skyrocketing petrol prices around the corner?

Decisions, decisions, can't wait!

Axeman444 · 9 Dec 2013, 22:35 (Ref:3342132)

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Originally Posted by fomoco

just have to get the V8 Spercar management to change the regs to allow hte mustang to run, also, our friends over at holden will be looking for a new car from Chevy to replace the Commodore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

Mustang Vs Camaro? I'd like to see that!

In the words of Betty Klimenko, isn't that what GT is for?

Chris - Melb · 9 Dec 2013, 23:06 (Ref:3342143)

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Originally Posted by Axeman444

In the words of Betty Klimenko, isn't that what GT is for?

Fortunately Betty Klimenko does not set the agenda.

Two-door Mustangs have had an involvement in touring car racing in Australia since 1965. Long may the tradition continue.

By the way, I'm not sure what GT racing is for; no one seems to be interested in it other than a handful people.

Axeman444 · 10 Dec 2013, 02:54 (Ref:3342216)

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Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

Fortunately Betty Klimenko does not set the agenda.

Two-door Mustangs have had an involvement in touring car racing in Australia since 1965. Long may the tradition continue.

By the way, I'm not sure what GT racing is for; no one seems to be interested in it other than a handful people.

Fortunately most people on here don't either. Since when does tradition get a seat at the V8SC table?

FAS33 · 10 Dec 2013, 07:07 (Ref:3342262)

what is " tradition " nowdays?

Gaz170 · 10 Dec 2013, 10:13 (Ref:3342298)

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Originally Posted by FAS33

what is " tradition " nowdays?

Whatever the PR hack wants it to be today

fomoco · 10 Dec 2013, 20:28 (Ref:3342463)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris - Melb

Mustang Vs Camaro? I'd like to see that!

Ahh back to the 70's at Calder Park, the problem I have with this is , This is Australia, not the newest state of the God Damm God Bless America.
Are we to become a subordinate racing category for the yanks?

**GTRMagic** · 10 Dec 2013, 22:40 (Ref:3342511)

AA is enhancing the Penske dream this week, suggesting through quoted anonymous sources that the Penske organisation has made an offer to Mr Nash & Mr French to sell off FPR to them.

No mention of dollars or ramifications for anything that squad currently does with its ownership of 2 RECs, sole ownership of another, and a customer deal...

It was also suggested that the reason that Ford only gave FPR a single year deal for 2014 was to facilitate the Penske purchase.

The story goes on to suggest that Penske's first choice is for FPR, and should that not work, then DJR is in their sights.

Of interest though is that the story is buried a few pages from the front.. so maybe its not the 'scoop' everyone thinks it could be...

Mr French & Mr Nash could be in a nice position, to exit their investment in FPR in under a year for what is intimated to be more money than they paid for it... and the risk of losing Ford no longer concerns their business model.

We shall see what happens next...

ford71 · 10 Dec 2013, 23:22 (Ref:3342523)

Someone at Penske read Dick's book and can smell a fire sale

mountainstar · 10 Dec 2013, 23:22 (Ref:3342524)

Quote:

Originally Posted by fomoco

Ahh back to the 70's at Calder Park, the problem I have with this is , This is Australia, not the newest state of the God Damm God Bless America.
Are we to become a subordinate racing category for the yanks?

Yep that's our plan. First we have to eradicate your automotive industry and shut down all the factories so we can sell you all our exports. Then we take over the motorsport business.

mountainstar · 10 Dec 2013, 23:27 (Ref:3342526)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

AA is enhancing the Penske dream this week, suggesting through quoted anonymous sources that the Penske organisation has made an offer to Mr Nash & Mr French to sell off FPR to them.

There is no way Penske will buy in without having the long term backing of a manufacturer. That's not the way he does things. So if he buys FPR that is good news for the category as likely a long term deal with Ford is on the cards.

If the focus turns on DJR, DJ will have to go and be a figurehead or out completely because DJ and the Penske organization will mix like oil and water. A lot of people at DJR will have the shock of their lives as well. But DJ has to retire sometime so if he lands a good deal that would be a nice way to sail into retirement.

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