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16 Feb 2018, 19:10 (Ref:3801894) | #76 | |
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I feel sorry for the frontrunners.
First they have to deal with the snow. Then on the second run they have to deal with the tracks from the historic cars that has gone before them, which is a joke really. A bunch of hobbyists and amateurs doing a meaningless event shouldn't affect teams and drivers competing in world championships. |
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16 Feb 2018, 21:07 (Ref:3801909) | #78 | |
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There are exceptions of course but it is a giant difference between a few and the average drivers. Solberg is in an Escort leading 4x4 cars for example. Can't compare him and a few other really with guys in Group B cars that isn't even top 10.
It doesn't change the fact that the historic cars are competing at the expense of WRC for nothing really. They should be going after them, not before them. Don't understand how FIA hasn't done anything about it since it has been the same story during the last years, Ogier said it himself today calling it a joke. |
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16 Feb 2018, 21:52 (Ref:3801918) | #79 | ||
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It does seem a bit strange unless their being used to "clean" the stage?
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16 Feb 2018, 22:41 (Ref:3801928) | #80 | ||
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They have smaller tires than the WRC cars so the WRC cars can't drive in their tracks/ruts. The historic cars have different lines as well, Ogier mentioned it last year saying he couldn't believe how spread out their lines were. They can also tend to drag out snow from the banks since most of them are RWD. Unfortunately this rally has turned into something of a "railway" rally in the sense that they have to stay on the ruts and lines. If you go outside them you get in the loose snow, lose time and/or make the conditions better for those coming behind. If you go onto the live text on the WRC website you will see that many of the drivers mentions ruts and lines in one way or another, mostly saying that they are trying to stay in them. |
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It's the same problem you see on forest events over here where the 2wd cars end up struggling through stages that have been chewed to pieces by the 4wd machines at the head of the field. It's rallying - you just have to deal with the conditions you're faced with. |
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18 Feb 2018, 07:54 (Ref:3802106) | #82 | ||
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Used to be the case in BTRDA that the 1400 cars ran first, then some 2wd cars.
But that didnt last forever! |
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18 Feb 2018, 08:58 (Ref:3802111) | #83 | ||
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Historic cars is something they mention every year. Ogier seems to be sick of it and he is pretty much "punished" for being the best at Monte Carlo. He is in tenth at the moment +4:18 after Neuville. I think that says it all about the conditions he as to face compared with those later back on the start list. The biggest problem with multi use in Sweden is the gravel that comes due to thin ice. Weather problems, this rally's to be or not to be, can make the stages even worse. In this case the stages are in bad shape already and multi use makes it much worse. The ruts is a problem just for the first few and it gets faster with every car. I agree to some extent that a drivers has to deal with the conditions. But since it is a World Championship round and guys who compete at the very top level of rallying, they shouldn't be bothered by 40+ cars competing for the heck of it. |
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18 Feb 2018, 11:18 (Ref:3802135) | #84 | ||
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Looks to be a good weekend for Breen and a superb drive from Katsuta in WRC2.
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18 Feb 2018, 22:51 (Ref:3802251) | #85 | ||
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Any thoughts on Ogier's strategy for the Power Stage?
Personally, I don't like it, but the rules allows such things and I've got to say it was a pretty clever move. |
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Given he'd had the shitty end of the stick all weekend regarding road position I think it was a sensible move - he managed to salvage something from what was a very trying weekend for him. The rules allow it so play the long game and pick up some points from a weekend that really looked like a big fat '0'. |
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19 Feb 2018, 09:24 (Ref:3802328) | #87 | |
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There were 59 cars in total in WRC, in Monte Carlo it was 49 and they had an historic rally a few days after WRC. If anything the historic cars should be going last, not in between WRC. Rally Sweden have had the historic cars for five years or so now, it hasn't always been part of the event so I think they could do without it.
Katsuta was the biggest surprise for me for sure. Tidemand, Veiby, Åhlin etc could literally drive from home and recce at the stages in advance if they wanted and they already have lots of experience. I due wonder though how big of a difference there was between the Pirelli tires, which Katsuta used, and the Michelins which Tidemand and Veiby had. Tidemand said himself that he went flat out and couldn't catch Katsuta. Nonetheless, Katsuta did a great job of keeping up the pace and staying on the road. |
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Some seem to think that the Ogier move was sneaky, but I personally see it as a smart decision. And even if people do think it was underhand, I think it's daft that fingers are being pointed directly at Ogier. Do people really think he'd pull a trick like that without the approval of the team?
Four more points that he probably wouldn't have picked up without the late check in and a bit of damage limitation to what was otherwise a miserable weekend thanks to the running order. Some don't seem to like it, but I think it's the mark of a smart driver backed by a smart team. And smart drivers win Championships... ...very surprised that Citroen didn't tell Meeke to do the same thing. That said I just saw a post on another forum that said Meeke didn't hand his timecard in at the end of the rally, so apparently he can get a "free" engine for Mexico? Quote:
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Road position undeniably helped but it was still an impressive result - the Citroen does look to be the worst of the cars (the others seem quite well matched). Breen doesn't seem to be under as much pressure to get results as Meeke (I assume that's because he's only got a part season) and genuinely seemed to be enjoying himself out there - which is always good to see, sometimes you get the impression the pros are just doing a job but Breen does seem to take huge pleasure from it. |
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MINOR OFF TOPIC: I actually met Craig Breen at a trackday last year. Only briefly spoke to him, but he seemed a genuinely nice bloke. |
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24 Feb 2018, 14:40 (Ref:3803616) | #91 | |
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Neuville wins that puts him in the lead of the championship, should be another title shot for him. Ogier probably did the right, how he was screwed over it was only fair he legally redressed the balance
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This weekend it's the Rally México at León, Guanajuato.
There are 11 WRC entries, including no less than Sébastien Loeb / Daniel Elena on the #11 Citroën C3. |
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9 Mar 2018, 21:10 (Ref:3807145) | #93 | ||
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It'll be interesting to see how Loeb gets on this weekend. I'm not sure what he's got to gain by doing the event though?
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10 Mar 2018, 15:55 (Ref:3807246) | #94 | ||
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Nearly everyone is having problems... and Loeb takes the lead!
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Loeb got a puncture and lost the lead.
2018 Rally Mexico final results: 1. FRA Sébastien Ogier (Ford) 3:53'58 2. ESP Daniel Sordo (Hyundai) + 1'13 3. GBR Kris Meeke (Citroën) + 1'29 4. NOR Andreas Mikkelsen (Hyundai) + 1'48 5. FRA Sébastien Loeb (Citroën) + 2'34 6. BEL Thierry Neuville (Hyundai) + 9'13 |
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12 Mar 2018, 22:21 (Ref:3807590) | #96 | ||
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Quite a good rally, I certainly enjoyed it even when normal service was resumed at the front at the end of day 2. There was still enough drama going on to keep me watching, you just couldn't tell what was going to happen to whom.
Mexico has some really lovely stages, El Brinco is fabulous to watch. |
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13 Mar 2018, 19:32 (Ref:3807779) | #97 | |
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Anyone know why C5 aren’t showing the highlights tonight?
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16 Mar 2018, 23:45 (Ref:3808447) | #98 | ||
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What's all this I hear about Ogier being stripped of the powerstage points for cutting a chicane? I was unaware as the official WRC site does not have anything about it - that I can see anyway. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough.
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17 Mar 2018, 08:28 (Ref:3808476) | #99 | |
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He was not stripped of his powerstage points as such. He received a 10 second penalty for cutting.
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