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Which current sportscars series is drawing large fan bases at it's venues, has large manufacturer participation and has strong revenues? The press has reported the ALMS troubles and challenges. You will find that it is very difficult for credentialed press, or those in the press who depend on organizations for revenues to be very critical of those organizations. This is true for many sports, including the ALMS. |
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Just like why you don't see negative new car reviews in your local newspaper.
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IMO you should run events on a budget like the LMS, enthusiasts will still turn-up.
Offer a platform with low entry costs, the LMS has prospered as there have always been new teams to replace those who've left. With such privateer focused national series in place, you can accomodate manufactuers and ambitious privateers with the LMIC, ensuring Sebring, PLM, Silverstone etc. remain world class events with huge fan and media interest. You have to be pragmatic, I don't believe we'll see manufactuers commit to full factory programs in national series, they want to pick and choose the best events the world over. |
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The Can-Am series certainly had world attention, but I would accept that those were indeed different times. It is interesting that Pug has come to Sebring and Petit, which are geographically in a market they haven't sold cars in for decades (are Peugeot sold in Canada, I honestly don't know, or Mexico), and even when they did they were a blip in the market place. They came because those events are International status-interesting also because both are the wrong time zone for Europe or Asia. |
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Manufacturers have committed to factory backed programs in the Continental Series. BMW, Corvette(GM), Porsche, Acura and Mazda are all examples of manufacturers who in the last couple of years have had "Continental" backing. They want exposure where they sell cars. Could you please provide the evidence that you have, that all these manufacturers want to pick and choose the best events the world over? Link please? Do you believe Grand Am will cede LMIC, allowing their marquee events to be part of it? |
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IMSA GTP prospered because North American distrbuters funded the factory efforts, TWR Jaguar didn't pull out of the WSC to move to IMSA for example. However if Audi commited to a full ALMS season they'd not run in the LMS, so you either find a compromise to keep a factory presence in both series (LMIC), or it's survival of the fittest. It's also worth pointing out after the 1998 FIA GT1 series, many European fans of that series switched allegiance to the ALMS, rather than what was left of FIA GT's and the FIA SCC. Once the LMS began much interest switched to that series. |
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Does Laurence Tomlinson still own the Panoz rights in the UK?
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I'm sure that when he took on Ginetta, he still had Panoz then. Don't really think that Panoz road cars compete with Ginettas - different types of cars really.
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The LMS has been running since 2005, only 2008 can rank up alongside the best WSC Group C seasons. Sadder still, both Audi and Peugeot have had full factory teams for much of that time, yet rarely went head to head outside of the classics. The LMS has served it's purpose for privateers, for that reason alone it is very important. Manufactuers however have all sampled it, but wound back their support after a season or two, it obviously does not work for them. During 2008 Peugeot had national newspaper campaigns advertising their battles with Audi in the LMS, and promted the Silverstone race massively. Last year they could only bank on Le Mans, other events were added so late in the day there was little time to structure major campaigns. Tying these events together via the LMIC not only solves that problem, there's a PR worthy 'World' title at the end of it. Quote:
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Fernandez's entry (if it happens) is not a manufacturer entry. When you have a limited budget, you are not "picking and choosing", but being forced to select which events you can afford to do.
Regarding Audi, as what I thought, just your opinion, nothing factual. You are entitled to an opinion of course. It is somewhat puzzling that you've taken your opinion about Audi, and somehow managed to project that on all manufacturers as if some grand statement had been made, when they never had. |
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Why are we having this discussion in the "Carl Haas takes over distribution of Panoz race cars and parts" thread?
Ten of the last 12 posts have been about manufacturers racing in LMS, ALMS LMIC, or whatever...which has ZERO to do with the subject of this thread. Please stay on topic...carry on the LMIC argument in the LMIC Thread, please... |
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Anyone think that Panoz might be ready and willing to sell at least part of the race and road car businesses as it seems that they're money pits and are diverting money and attention that could be better used on the ALMS and the rest of IMSA?
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