IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017 - Page 118

Accident · 16 Feb 2016, 02:04 (Ref:3615012)

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Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

(Is it just me that would be OK with that?)

Nope, my sort of "dream series" would be an IMSA GT series with GTLM as the top class and GS cars (rewind a few years before the Z/28).

That would be kinda of a step towards that at least.

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Originally Posted by Dyson Mazda

I still think they should introduce P3 into CTSCC

Might be a case for that now with the series failing and everything, but I'd much rather see them get the GS class back on track and attendance up again than have them introduce prototypes where they don't need to be.

Lanky Turtle · 16 Feb 2016, 02:05 (Ref:3615013)

Well Daytona is the only "roval" on the schedule now since they got rid of the Indy roadcourse, if that would qualify, and the Kansas PC race a couple years ago. I don't think they're looking to add any to the schedule because it looks bad on TV.

TF110 · 16 Feb 2016, 05:52 (Ref:3615031)

Talladega road course!

Matt · 16 Feb 2016, 14:51 (Ref:3615119)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

New Hampshire has the best layout, but you can run that without using either of the oval corners. Homestead is the same way, but Grand-Am never ran the full road course layout without NASCAR turn 3 and 4.

New Hampshire's layout suckkkkkkkkkkkssssssssss to race on though. The transitions from the outfield back in are awful.

Plus I think the Homestead roval was made better with the addition of NASCAR 3 and 4, otherwise it was just a track with a whole mess of slow corners.

BSchneiderFan · 16 Feb 2016, 14:54 (Ref:3615122)

Was it the Charlotte roval back in the early days of the ALMS where the cars were almost beaching on the transition from road course to oval? Dreadful spectacle.

Lanky Turtle · 16 Feb 2016, 16:08 (Ref:3615134)

The best was when PWC ran Charlotte several years ago, and they just ran around the oval and went through a couple chicanes the organizers had created by laying a few giant truck tires on the track. Did I say the best? I meant the opposite of that.

Akrapovic · 16 Feb 2016, 16:16 (Ref:3615135)

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Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan

Was it the Charlotte roval back in the early days of the ALMS where the cars were almost beaching on the transition from road course to oval? Dreadful spectacle.

http://www.doubledeclutch.com/wp-con...te_jb_0082.jpg

Might be Texas you're thinking of. Easy mistake to make given the circuits are basically identical.

MoMedic9019 · 16 Feb 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3615137)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

New Hampshire has the best layout, but you can run that without using either of the oval corners. Homestead is the same way, but Grand-Am never ran the full road course layout without NASCAR turn 3 and 4.

I think New Hampshires road course is a really fun layout. Not for pro racing..but... it could be fun for club stuff.

Matt · 16 Feb 2016, 16:27 (Ref:3615141)

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I think New Hampshires road course is a really fun layout. Not for pro racing..but... it could be fun for club stuff.

We've run there. It's not fun and is a car killer.

Great for small things like Legends cars and bikes, but not for full size cars.

BSchneiderFan · 16 Feb 2016, 17:14 (Ref:3615158)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

http://www.doubledeclutch.com/wp-con...te_jb_0082.jpg

Might be Texas you're thinking of. Easy mistake to make given the circuits are basically identical.

The URL for that photo suggests Charlotte in 2000, when Audi reverted to the R8R while the R8s were prepped for Le Mans. Either way, pretty lame. I don't really like rovals, and Daytona only gets a pass because of its history.

ATLFalconsFAN · 16 Feb 2016, 17:30 (Ref:3615162)

Put me in the camp who thinks that ALL rovals are garbage! Yes, even Daytona.

BullMan · 16 Feb 2016, 18:21 (Ref:3615186)

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Originally Posted by Matt

New Hampshire's layout suckkkkkkkkkkkssssssssss to race on though. The transitions from the outfield back in are awful.

Plus I think the Homestead roval was made better with the addition of NASCAR 3 and 4, otherwise it was just a track with a whole mess of slow corners.

NHMS is really narrow on the outside portion, but I like the layout. I guess it's more for bikes.

BullMan · 16 Feb 2016, 18:23 (Ref:3615187)

Best roval ever was the Charlotte PWC layout. They ran with the NASCAR weekend so the infield was full. Instead, they turned into the 1st corner of the road course, then right on to pit lane, then back out on to the oval. There was a chicane on the back straight, and that was it.

Matt · 16 Feb 2016, 19:34 (Ref:3615215)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Best roval ever was the Charlotte PWC layout. They ran with the NASCAR weekend so the infield was full. Instead, they turned into the 1st corner of the road course, then right on to pit lane, then back out on to the oval. There was a chicane on the back straight, and that was it.

That's my holy grail of PWC races to get uploaded onto Youtube.

It was so absurd it was fantastic. The chicane on the back being made out of huge-ass tractor tires was the best.

Upshot, LOOK AT THE CROWD. Granted, they stayed after All-Star qualifying, but still.

Lanky Turtle · 16 Feb 2016, 19:36 (Ref:3615217)

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Originally Posted by ATLFalconsFAN

Put me in the camp who thinks that ALL rovals are garbage! Yes, even Daytona.

Do you also consider Montlhery in France and 1950's-60's Monza as garbage tracks?

Rcz · 16 Feb 2016, 20:00 (Ref:3615231)

Texas world and Pocono could be interesting.

I've seen Texas World and it's really unusual, with a good bulk of the track on the outside of the oval.

Matt · 16 Feb 2016, 20:07 (Ref:3615234)

Texas World is as good as Dead.

MoMedic9019 · 16 Feb 2016, 20:17 (Ref:3615238)

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Originally Posted by Matt

We've run there. It's not fun and is a car killer.

Great for small things like Legends cars and bikes, but not for full size cars.

I've also run there. But, that was a time or two ago. I enjoyed it for SM. HDPE would be rough. I think the AMA ran there once in their dying light, but, I'm not much into that world.

Rcz · 16 Feb 2016, 21:06 (Ref:3615249)

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Originally Posted by Matt

Texas World is as good as Dead.

So is COTA

Deleted · 16 Feb 2016, 21:23 (Ref:3615259)

I'd rather even have them running on actual oval with some crap special handicap aero and NASCAR restrictor plates, than another stupid little roval no-one gives crap about. At least oneoff oval event would be somerhing special to write home about.

Matt · 16 Feb 2016, 21:27 (Ref:3615261)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

I'd rather even have them running on actual oval with some crap special handicap aero and NASCAR restrictor plates, than another stupid little roval no-one gives crap about. At least oneoff oval event would be somerhing special to write home about.

I've always thought a one-off race on the NHMS oval would have been fun with the current crop of cars. One mile flat oval, tighter corners and longer straights than Milwaukee, with less banking, iirc. P2 would have advantage through turns, while the torque of the DP would do well on the straights.

Idk, it'd be fun, might try it in iRacing.

Deleted · 16 Feb 2016, 21:31 (Ref:3615263)

Non-championship exhibition to test the waters first...

Rcz · 16 Feb 2016, 21:54 (Ref:3615271)

Well P2 and the DPs are going to give way to to the DPi eventually so BoP should be easier.

I say Phoenix rather then New Hampshire or Milwaukee because IMSA doesn't have a presence in the southwest and well Road America, lime rock and the Glen take car of those other area.

I see IMSA as sort of a anti-NASCAR series despite it well being owned by NASCAR now. You know, road course racing series that embraces tech, multiple classes. And of course having the cars be revelant. Because the cars ARE the stars.

But like how NASCAR run on two road courses despite it being an oval series, perhaps IMSA can have 1 oval. Could be interesting, might be a lot tired problem thought

ATLFalconsFAN · 16 Feb 2016, 22:02 (Ref:3615276)

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Originally Posted by Lanky Turtle

Do you also consider Montlhery in France and 1950's-60's Monza as garbage tracks?

I'm not familiar with Montlhery. As for Monza I will just say that I am happy that it is the way that it is now. Look, I'm never going to say that it doesn't take any skill to drive in circles, or that there is no redeeming qualities in it (It's just not my cup of tea). Thing for me is that we have so, so many amazing natural terrain road courses throughout the world and especially in North America that driving sports cars on anything but is just a complete wasted opportunity. Honestly I'm not even a fan of Belle Isle or Long Beach.

fieldodreams79 · 16 Feb 2016, 22:40 (Ref:3615291)

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Originally Posted by BullMan

Best roval ever was the Charlotte PWC layout. They ran with the NASCAR weekend so the infield was full. Instead, they turned into the 1st corner of the road course, then right on to pit lane, then back out on to the oval. There was a chicane on the back straight, and that was it.

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Originally Posted by Matt

That's my holy grail of PWC races to get uploaded onto Youtube.

It was so absurd it was fantastic. The chicane on the back being made out of huge-ass tractor tires was the best.

Upshot, LOOK AT THE CROWD. Granted, they stayed after All-Star qualifying, but still.

Totally forgot they ran that before the all-star q-ing. That was good stuff and have to check it out.

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Originally Posted by Matt

I've always thought a one-off race on the NHMS oval would have been fun with the current crop of cars. One mile flat oval, tighter corners and longer straights than Milwaukee, with less banking, iirc. P2 would have advantage through turns, while the torque of the DP would do well on the straights.

Idk, it'd be fun, might try it in iRacing.

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Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

I think New Hampshires road course is a really fun layout. Not for pro racing..but... it could be fun for club stuff.

I've only seen AMA or some bikes on the NHMS track. It was actually decent and goes outside the main part of the speedway, iirc. But yeah, either a bike track or club circuit.

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