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29 Mar 2004, 22:00 (Ref:923397)
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Having been to "The 500" three times, before TG's antics, I have a respect for the track and what was the race. Regardless it is still "The 500". I cannot think of any driver that would turn down the opportunity to race "The 500". What is wrong is TG's total lack of respect for what was "The 500", and what he is morphing it into. It is a shame that CCWS will be helping TG get a possible full field (provided engines are available). Shoring up the all oval series is not something I will support.
P.S. Moderators - Please believe that I went out of my way to avoid the dreaded four letter word begining with I and ending in Y.  
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30 Mar 2004, 00:09 (Ref:923456)
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If Junqeira won Indy it would be great positive press.
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30 Mar 2004, 00:12 (Ref:923459)
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Much to TG's dismay it would be. I'm sure he'd look for any possible reason to disqualify him if he did win.
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30 Mar 2004, 00:17 (Ref:923463)
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OK.... hear this one out for conversation perposes...what if several CART drivers were to drive in the Indy 500 sponsered by OWRS.. and if they were to win it would show that CART has the superioir drivers and teams... Call it CART's version of the trojon horse.
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30 Mar 2004, 00:17 (Ref:923464)
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Did he look for any way to disqualify Montoya in 2000 or Castroneves in 2001?
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30 Mar 2004, 00:25 (Ref:923470)
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Racer69 - I have no idea whether or not TG tried to disqualify Montoya for his win in 2000, but I have no doubt that he would jump at any chance to do so if he could. All of us here know who really won the 2002 Indy 500. Last edited by jjspierx; 30 Mar 2004 at 00:26. |
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30 Mar 2004, 00:25 (Ref:923471)
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While I am sure the IRL folks are really tired of CART teams and newly recruited teams from CART winning the 500, I don't think there will be a concerted effort to disqualify a driver from OWRS who might win the race.
Since CART "crossed-over" to Indy they have shown superior results due mainly to the professionalism and experience of the teams, combined with quality drivers. It may not be so easy this year as many of the drivers from the Series Formerly Known as CART are now full-time IRL campaigners. Personally I would give my eye teeth to get my face on the Borg-Warner Trophy. Look what it does to the driver's prestige. For example, when JPM won at Monaco the press did backflips about his winning Monaco and the 500, two of the great "traditionas" in motor racing. Last edited by JohnSSC; 30 Mar 2004 at 00:26. |
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30 Mar 2004, 00:33 (Ref:923480)
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Did I ever share the story of the time that I won the Indy 500?
I was disqualified because I didn't show up for qualifications. I didn't know that you had to. Live and learn. |
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30 Mar 2004, 04:21 (Ref:923562)
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Robin Miller reported on radio tonight that Haas would enter cars at Indy for Junqueira and Bourdais. I know Haas has set up a shop in Indy.
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30 Mar 2004, 10:22 (Ref:923777)
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Despite "Seb" and "Junky" being committed to the success of OWRS, I am sure either one would be thrilled to have an Indy 500 win on their resume.
It is something that can only help a driver's career, especially one who is still relatively young like Bourdais who still may have a shot at F1. |
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30 Mar 2004, 17:19 (Ref:924232)
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Here's some Food For Thought = 1. Haas setting up shop in Indy is a fact. 2. Haas going to Indy in May with Junky is a 90% chance probability rumor. 3. Haas going to Indy in May with Junky and Frog is a 50% probability rumor. 4. Paul Newman's name being associated with that effort chances are at about 3% !!! 5. Robin Miller's predictions/prognoses coming to fruition chances are strictly 50/50 and lately his average has dropped below 50% ?!   zerO Last edited by zerO; 30 Mar 2004 at 17:20. |
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31 Mar 2004, 02:02 (Ref:924681)
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So adding 2 and 2 and 2 and coming up with nearly six, I think we can expect to see Bruno & Uncle Carl at Indy.
Newman has made his disdain for the IRL quite plain, but what exactly does he bring to the Newman-Haas partnership? Actual $$ or the star-power needed to attract the $$? Would Haas' attempt to add the 500 win as a jewel to his crown break the relationship, and if it does does Newman carry on as a team owner? Last edited by JohnSSC; 31 Mar 2004 at 02:03. |
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31 Mar 2004, 02:20 (Ref:924698)
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31 Mar 2004, 02:44 (Ref:924714)
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31 Mar 2004, 02:54 (Ref:924718)
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That is what I am trying to figure out. Newman's dressing is featured at McDonalds restaurants so I am sure he used his influence/contacts there to arrange a "deal." But what does that mean? Better product placement for him and not so much in the way of direct cash for the team?
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31 Mar 2004, 16:38 (Ref:925410)
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Why don't you write and ask him?
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31 Mar 2004, 17:59 (Ref:925482)
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It means more money the The Hole in the Wall kids.
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1 Apr 2004, 01:43 (Ref:925848)
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Write and ask him? That is a great idea! I am sure PLN is going to divulge the details of the sponsorship agreement. We do practically know each other. After all I was 5 feet away from him in a downpour at Nelson Ledges when he walked by after stuffing his Datsun 510 into the bridge abutment. That was 1978. I am sure he remembers me.
It would make a great article though in a magazine like Racer or something of it's ilk. SurfaceUnits, if the deal does mean more money for The Hole in the Wall Kids, then I am all for it. |
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1 Apr 2004, 06:31 (Ref:926005)
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1 Apr 2004, 06:43 (Ref:926007)
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As of now, Haas is not listed as an entrant. Midnight was the deadline for the postmark for mailed entries. Rahal is not listed as being entered as well.
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1 Apr 2004, 16:23 (Ref:926523)
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That's because they had to be "postmarked" by last night...
The final list of entries usually is announced about a week after the "deadline" passes.... They have to receive it in the mail and verify the postmark before putting it on the list.... Don't read anything into who is "on" the published list on April 1st...because it is irrelevant.... |
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2 Apr 2004, 02:01 (Ref:926939)
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At the IMS, traditions are meant to be changed anyway.
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6 Apr 2004, 19:15 (Ref:932649)
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Well zer0 it looks like Robin Miller was again right.
Newman-Haas Racing has entered the Indy 500 with Bruno Junqueira. Honda engines, Dallara chassis. http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/indycar/10543/ It'll be interesting to see if Cialis (Eli Lilly) is in fact the sponsor as rumored. Also it'll be interesting to see if Bourdais was successful in securing enough funding to get a ride as well. We'll know in a few days once the later entries are announced. |
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7 Apr 2004, 01:49 (Ref:932953)
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sqw2 - yeah, I picked that up too. Newman has always kept the other series at arm's length but it seems participation at Indy has at least his tacit approval if not whole-hearted support.
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Paul Newman got into racing as a driver, owner, etc., shortly after he was involved in the filming of the movie "Winning"...a lot of which was shot at Indy.... His problem is with TG, not the place itself....he knows what the "500" means to drivers and to racing... |
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