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18 Jun 2003, 12:21 (Ref:635442)
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F1 Championship Standings on old scoring system (10-6-4-3-2-1)
from http://gpworld.f1sims.co.uk/forums/v...hp?p=1341#1341
STANDINGS AFTER ROUND 8 CANADIAN GP DRIVERS' CHAMPIONSHIP 1st Michael Schumacher 48pts (4 wins) 2nd Kimi Raikkonen 39pts (1 win) 3rd Juan Pablo Montoya 23pts (1 win) 4th= Rubens Barrichello 20pts 4th= Fernando Alonso 20pts 6th Ralf Schumacher 18pts 7th David Coulthard 17pts (1 win) 8th Giancarlo Fisichella 10pts (1 win) 9th Jarno Trulli 5pts 10th= Heinz-Harald Frentzen 3pts 10th= Jenson Button 3pts 12th= Jacques Villeneuve 1pt 12th= Cristiano da Matta 1pt CONSTRUCTORS' CHAMPIONSHIP 1st Ferrari 68pts (4 wins) 2nd McLaren-Mercedes 56pts (2 wins) 3rd Williams-BMW 41pts (1 win) 4th Renault 25pts 5th Jordan-Ford 10pts (1 win) 6th BAR-Honda 4pt 7th Sauber-Petronas 3pts 8th Toyota 1pt |
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18 Jun 2003, 12:29 (Ref:635450)
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Silly, that new scoring system. Very silly.
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18 Jun 2003, 12:45 (Ref:635468)
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The championship would be won by the 11 round...
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18 Jun 2003, 13:16 (Ref:635508)
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Jordan would be very near to get fifth place in Constructor's championship. With current system it looks like they have no chances to it. (They are tied with BAR, but i think BAR has much better chances to score points)
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18 Jun 2003, 13:28 (Ref:635522)
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Interesting if someone wins with the old system but not with the new.
If someone is really bored they could go through previous years & see if there are any different WDC's. I'm sure there would be a few..... Prost & Rosberg spring to mind. |
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18 Jun 2003, 13:40 (Ref:635532)
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I guess it hadn't dawned on me that Jordan has only finished in the points once... and that one finish was a win! Shows how strange the race in Brazil really was this year...
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18 Jun 2003, 14:58 (Ref:635598)
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Ralf--I think I remember hearing when the new points system was introduced that it would have given Irvine the '99 title...which is as good an argument against it as I can think of.
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18 Jun 2003, 17:11 (Ref:635698)
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The best one is the famous '88 season when Mclaren won 15 of the 16 races. Senna, of course won the title but that was back in the day when only the best 10 (I think?) results counted. If all results had been counted Prost would have won quite comfortably.
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18 Jun 2003, 17:35 (Ref:635721)
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Yea, it was the best 11 results. Prost finished 14 of the 16 races, always in first or second (7 of each), making for a record points total, but Senna won 8 races and took 3 seconds, meaning that he won the title. Late in the season he finiahed 4th in Portugal and 6th in Spain (or other way round?), both of which were discounted.
Under the current system Prost would have 6 titles, as he also lost 1984 by 0.5 (because Monaco was stopped early) but had 2 more wins than Lauda, so would've had an extra 1.5 points. 1983 is debatable as well. |
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18 Jun 2003, 17:47 (Ref:635738)
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But seriously - do you really care of what could have been?
Or what might be if... |
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18 Jun 2003, 18:16 (Ref:635774)
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not really when it comes to this. The drivers drive differently depending on what they need to achieve at the time to take the title. Senna probably would have driven very differently in Portugal and Spain in 88 if he'd had to.
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18 Jun 2003, 18:18 (Ref:635776)
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The new scoring system does not give as much emphasis on winning as it should but it doesn't make as much difference as one would expect - Michael would under the old system lead by just 9 points (less than 1 race win).
For the record, compare the standings above to the standings this time last year: Drivers: 1 M.Schumacher 70 (43pt lead) 2= R.Schumacher 27 2= Montoya 27 4 Coulthard 26 5 Barrichello 16 6 Button 8 7 Raikkonen 7 etc... Constructors: 1 Ferrari 86 2 Williams 54 3 McLaren 33 4 Renault 12 etc... |
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18 Jun 2003, 23:44 (Ref:636105)
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I have to admit, the different system hasn't affected things as much up front as I thought it might've - although, of course, under the old system Kimi wouldn't have had those back-grid postions. Ferrari would've qualified better in Monaco. Other things would be different. In the end, I guess, one has to accept, whether or not a particular system is to their taste or not, that it is the way it is. Everyone is in the same boat. They choose to compete under the contemporary rules. All is fair, ultimatlely.
As an end not, though, it is clear the new points system has made the lower team battles more intense and interesting. This was, prior to the season's start, about the only positive thing I could see in it. This remains so. |
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19 Jun 2003, 04:32 (Ref:636215)
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20 Jun 2003, 07:30 (Ref:637300)
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Notice in the old system Webber is not in the points at all as Jaguar has not broken into the top six this year. Im an Australian, still goes to show that even though they have been good in qualifying, they have been pretty cruddy in the races.
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20 Jun 2003, 19:04 (Ref:637899)
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New system works so much better then the old one. Better points, better grids.
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21 Jun 2003, 12:21 (Ref:638378)
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I can't believe I'm gonna say this, but I by far prefer the new scoring system.
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21 Jun 2003, 12:28 (Ref:638386)
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Maybe give a point for pole?
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21 Jun 2003, 12:50 (Ref:638400)
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I don't think a point for pole should be given. Pole position is only a position for a car to start to help it try to win.
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21 Jun 2003, 13:05 (Ref:638412)
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21 Jun 2003, 15:09 (Ref:638494)
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21 Jun 2003, 18:59 (Ref:638637)
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21 Jun 2003, 19:32 (Ref:638659)
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I wonder that if Senna hadn't have died, would the points system have changed and stuff? It was mainly because of Schumacher's dominance (not forgetting budgets though) that they changed it...
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21 Jun 2003, 22:19 (Ref:638731)
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A point for pole? Before the race-fuel-qualy thing, I still didn't really want a point for pole but it would've been acceptable. Now? No way. Then you're going to get Minardis, or whatever, qualifying with vapours to snatch the point. If making the possibility of unrepresentative and fake grids, in the interests of "spice", is what you want... well, okay, you'd be fine. Personally, I believe a grid should be formed on the out-right speed of the man-and-machine.
A point for the FL though, that is something I have pondered quite a lot. I'd like that. (Remember that Michael doesn't, currently at least, normally actually get that many fastest laps - just in case I was going to be accused of trying to scpefically benefit Michael....). |
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