[WEC] Porsche Prototype Discussion

[J Jay]

Cheer up Sypderman, it may not have been the dominating performance of previous years but to come from the back of the grid to win while your rivals all falter is a magnificent achievement.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Porsche did it. Who would have thought.

[Articus]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Porsche did it. Who would have thought.

For me, I didn't even know what to think. The way all of the Toyotas tumbled out of the race, and the way the #1 Porsche fell out. This year's race played with everything I thought I knew and understood about endurance racing. My only takeaway is that I know nothing

[Spyderman]

Congratulations Porsche. That was soooooooooo hard!

[S griffin]

Today it was won by the one who had the least problems in LMP1, so well done Porsche #2, commiserations to everyone else

[kaivo]

Porsche #2 is good example, never give up

[chernaudi]

I do think that after this, Toyota and Porsche would be wise to invest in some testing at Sebring. Testing there in the heat and humidity on a nasty, bumpy track was influential in Audi and Peugeot's success over the years. If you're going to break something, it'll happen at Sebring, and better there in a test than at LM during race week.

We also have to remember, though it was a tire test, some examples of LMP2s tested at Sebring, and that along with the 12 Hour IMSA race probably gave the likes of Oreca, Onroak and Dallara valuable feed back on what they needed to do to get the durability for LM.

I do think that what Audi and Peugeot were doing with their 30 hour tests there over the years needs to be looked at by Toyota and Porsche. Especially given that if a competent team ran a decent LMP1 privateer car on the LM grid this year, we might not have had a LMP1 factory team car win this year.

[TF110]

Congrats to Porsche. Them changing the front mgu faster than Toyota paid off. That's what won them this race. Amazing that every hybrid car faced issues though. I bet that changes next year.

[Coldasice]

Huge congratulations to Porsche for the win. The grandmasters of endurance racing did it again.

What I find most impressive is this. The 919 was fast, easily serviceable, and had air conditioning.

The TS050 was fast, poorly serviceable, and had no air conditioning. Toyota claims that adding AC would result in an overweight car.

Porsche fans, can anyone confirm if the 919 is overweight, or under the weight limit?

[ederss7]

Interesting that Porsche had a flawless LM in 2015, fielding three cars in one of the fastest races in the history, but then they had big problems in 2016/2017.
But winning Le Mans is on their DNA, that's what matters. They won again. Well deserved.

[chernaudi]

Any idea on when we might see the sprint spec 919 other than Nurburgring and what it might be like? There's no excuse to not run that kit now, since LM's out of the way, and even though they have a 36 point lead in the manufacturers' championship now, that's not an unassailable lead with 2/3 of the season to go. They have every excuse to put the screws to Toyota to challenge for the title.

[bentley speed 8]

And they really should do it to keep the rest of season interesting enough to watch.
As for Le Mans, and idea why the Porsches lost so much time under the slow zones?
Even their GT cars seemed to be affected.

[PascaLM]

Congratulations to Porsche. A win ?* la 1977. Good job.

[Spyderman]

Motorsport Total saying Porsche maybe considering F1 engine supply. I'll post the link later. So sad to hear this. Hopefully they decide against it.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Motorsport Total saying Porsche maybe considering F1 engine supply. I'll post the link later. So sad to hear this. Hopefully they decide against it.

There's been a few stories about them and Toyota being in attendance at F1's future rules meetings for the engines (in 2020 I believe).

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by Coldasice

Huge congratulations to Porsche for the win. The grandmasters of endurance racing did it again.

What I find most impressive is this. The 919 was fast, easily serviceable, and had air conditioning.

The TS050 was fast, poorly serviceable, and had no air conditioning. Toyota claims that adding AC would result in an overweight car.

Porsche fans, can anyone confirm if the 919 is overweight, or under the weight limit?

The birds in my ear say the 919 is close to, if not at, minimum weight since 2015, while Toyota has struggled to get below a short ton.

[S griffin]

Nice to see Hartley showing commiserations to Toyota, but that's Le Mans, very human

[deggis]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Motorsport Total saying Porsche maybe considering F1 engine supply. I'll post the link later. So sad to hear this. Hopefully they decide against it.

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/n...-17061901.html

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns36699.html

That is the claim of Germany's Auto Bild, saying Porsche has accepted an invitation to attend the next meeting to discuss F1's post-2020 engine rules.

"We now know the (Le Mans) regulations for 2020," said Porsche's Le Mans chief Fritz Enzinger.

"In the next weeks Peugeot should decide whether they come or not. But even if they do, we have to consider whether we want to go another two or three years in Le Mans.

"At the moment, I cannot assess that," he added.

Funny that they're so openly referring to Peugeot. Building up pressure? Seidl did this too.

[Scorchess]

The announcement of the 2020 LMP1 rules also spoke of 'other manufacturers' attending, seperately mentioned from Peugeot who were referenced by name. Don't underestimate the power of just turning up and seeing what you can influence.

[chernaudi]

The only four that have been named so far as having something to do with the 2020 regs are Audi (early stages pre-WEC withdraw), Porsche, Toyota and Peugeot. There are others though who haven't been named as of yet.

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

The only four that have been named so far as having something to do with the 2020 regs are Audi (early stages pre-WEC withdraw), Porsche, Toyota and Peugeot. There are others though who haven't been named as of yet.

There's some hearsay about that Nissan may've been party to the talks. Considering the position they find themselves in after acquiring MMC, the plug-in rules seem to play to their favor.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

The birds in my ear say the 919 is close to, if not at, minimum weight since 2015, while Toyota has struggled to get below a short ton.

Toyota said they were at the minimum weight since 2014. I think the dropped air-con is a thing that they do to save weight because it's not needed. They seem to be ok on the cockpit temperatures. I don't think either of them are overweight. Maybe they are close to it and have a little ballast but not an ideal amount for weight distribution? That's about all I can imagine.

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by TF110

Toyota said they were at the minimum weight since 2014. I think the dropped air-con is a thing that they do to save weight because it's not needed. They seem to be ok on the cockpit temperatures. I don't think either of them are overweight. Maybe they are close to it and have a little ballast but not an ideal amount for weight distribution? That's about all I can imagine.

I wonder how the turbo V6 compares to the old N/A V8 as well on the scales. Any word from Cologne?

[Spyderman]

It looks like the end is near : http://www.motorsport-total.com/wec/...reiche-gruende

[Dyson Mazda]

Originally Posted by Spyderman

It looks like the end is near : http://www.motorsport-total.com/wec/...reiche-gruende

If P1 crumbles, and you are the ACO, what do you do (or what do you think they will do)?

Also, if Porsche pulls out of the WEC (and no one else enters), does the series fold overnight based on the FIA manufacturer requirements?