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Old 30 May 2017, 13:50 (Ref:3737386)   #26
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I can't see why it wouldn't - although you do have to wonder how many cars would be left by the end, there are plenty of casualties in the short races!

Which circuits would you like to see added to the calendar? I'm not sure if there are any that could host the BTCC - Castle Combe, Pembrey, Anglesey, Mondello Park are the obvious candidates but they all have issues that probably mean they're not viable.
What do people think of the Donington full loop? Is that worth using it? I take it Cadwell isn't anywhere near the standard required either?
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Old 30 May 2017, 14:27 (Ref:3737393)   #27
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Isle of Man shoot-out .

A non-championship race (like the one that was planned for 20015-something?), with more than 32 cars allowed. A modern version of Tourist Trophy. But I fear that not many non-BTCC competitors would show up, as the cars seem difficult to unlock for a one-off appearance and the level of competition in BTCC is very high.

Otherwise a nice full grid of historic touring cars and drivers from the different eras at one (or a few) selected venue(s) would be nice. With good TV coverage, of course, and maybe racing for some kind of charity.
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Old 30 May 2017, 14:56 (Ref:3737397)   #28
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What do people think of the Donington full loop? Is that worth using it? I take it Cadwell isn't anywhere near the standard required either?
The Melbourne Loop adds distance but not much else - it's widely disliked amongst drivers, although the BTCC crowd might disagree (and there are always exceptions).

Cadwell, as gorgeous a circuit as it is, is a little bit too narrow for the BTCC. It'd be a proper damage-fest.

I don't see any radical changes in terms of circuits in the near future, tbh, although I'd like to see one overseas round. Costs will prohibit that though.
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Old 30 May 2017, 15:23 (Ref:3737404)   #29
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The Melbourne Loop adds distance but not much else - it's widely disliked amongst drivers, although the BTCC crowd might disagree (and there are always exceptions).

Cadwell, as gorgeous a circuit as it is, is a little bit too narrow for the BTCC. It'd be a proper damage-fest.

I don't see any radical changes in terms of circuits in the near future, tbh, although I'd like to see one overseas round. Costs will prohibit that though.
Where would you like overseas? Obviously like you say it probably wouldn't happen, but the nearest is maybe Spa, but the cars would maybe be a little slow around there. North of France has depressingly little circuits. France needs to get some more stuff!
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Old 30 May 2017, 15:34 (Ref:3737408)   #30
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Where would you like overseas? Obviously like you say it probably wouldn't happen, but the nearest is maybe Spa, but the cars would maybe be a little slow around there. North of France has depressingly little circuits. France needs to get some more stuff!
Assen, Zandvoort or Zolder could be fun.

As long as there's no chassis packing going on on the return journey, of course... we all know where that ended up.
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Anglesey would be great, very fast with lots of overtaking points in a very scenic and unique area. Though I'm not sure the facilities are cut out for it.

I'd would be nice to see a different layout at Silverstone (although I don't really like any layout there!)

Also, wasn't there a law or something passed to allow more street racing?

And in the 0.0001% chance CoW ever happens that would be nice too
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Old 30 May 2017, 16:19 (Ref:3737422)   #32
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There are no other UK circuits that are capable of hosting a BTCC race. Either they don't have a licence for enough starters, don't have the required pit/paddock facilities, don't have a decent level of local infrastructure, have local planning/noise restrictions, or some combination of all of the above.

Only change to the current list could be change to a different circuit variation (eg Donington Park GP) but there are only limited options there and none that are really suitable or offer a significant difference.

There's no need to venture overseas, and nothing to be gained by doing so.
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Old 30 May 2017, 16:47 (Ref:3737428)   #33
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Unfortunately there are no circuits in Britain which can host a BTCC round, probably because of facilities or because they are too narrow.

Hopefully, CoW will happen and it will host a BTCC round. Also, what about Mondello?

Some circuits abroad, like Zolder, Assen, maybe Spa or some good street circuits would be good addition to the calendar but I don't see it happening. There is no reason for BTCC to go abroad.

And it's a shame. There is nothing wrong with the current calendar and circuits which are there, they produce a good racing and most of them are really good circuits. But some freshness would be welcome. And I'm not particularly fond of going to Brands twice - I'd rather see different circuit instead of Indy.
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Old 30 May 2017, 17:22 (Ref:3737436)   #34
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maybe use Rockingham in reverse ?
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Old 30 May 2017, 18:57 (Ref:3737464)   #35
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maybe use Rockingham in reverse ?
Not licensed to run in reverse. Getting it approved potentially means re-working all the barriers and run-off areas, which is a lot of work and expense for a circuit that can only be used limited times during the year.
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The only realistic option for a different circuit would be Mondello Park. The series last raced there relatively recently and it has better pit facilities than Knockhill. It's only freight costs that are really in the way of another visit.

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A non-championship race (like the one that was planned for 20015-something?), with more than 32 cars allowed.
I didn't realise they were planning that far ahead!

If a non-championship round were to be introduced it would need to be a bit more special than just a 1 hour race. That's about the same amount of racing that you get during a regular event.

I've mentioned it here and elsewhere before, but bring back the Donington 500. Refuelling wouldn't be that much of an issue if they used the same system as at the Nurburgring 24 hours, i.e. timed pit stops and regular petrol station pumps.
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I am - it's less than an hour from home

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Not licensed to run in reverse. Getting it approved potentially means re-working all the barriers and run-off areas, which is a lot of work and expense for a circuit that can only be used limited times during the year.
Yep - any armco would have to be sorted out for a start - run the wrong way against armco and you potentially get Kubica style accidents.
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Old 30 May 2017, 20:13 (Ref:3737482)   #38
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something else


if they make a 1 hour race with a driver change wouldn't this bring extra money from pay drivers ? they can stipulate in the rules the 2nd driver is not BTCC regular

so Neal/ Shedden can't be run , each one has to have a different non-BTCC partner
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Didn't Knockhill get a license to run in reverse?
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Yes. They do occasionally run club and bike meetings in reverse direction. TOCA have looked at it but decided against as there was no real advantage.
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No, Thruxton's moved the other way, it's closer to both the tennis and TT.
Whoops! Yep, that was my wording, sorry. Yeah, it's moved to later on in May is what I meant.
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Hopefully, CoW will happen and it will host a BTCC round.
Not a cat's chance in hell, but that's a different discussion for a different forum!
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CoW will hold a BTCC round. They'll just ask Silverstone to host it for them

Is it worth using the new Silverstone layout? Not the full GP circuit, but the new International circuit?
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CoW will hold a BTCC round. They'll just ask Silverstone to host it for them

Is it worth using the new Silverstone layout? Not the full GP circuit, but the new International circuit?
I was pondering that. I doubt TOCA would want to, because the paddock access is terrible and it might even be too small for the entire BTCC circus to fit into.

From a racing perspective, the sequence through Abbey/Farm/Village would be interesting due to the fast/slooooow/fast nature; the flick through the Link into Becketts has a feature that isn't so obvious from a brief viewing - the camber changes dramatically, there's a big bump where the GP circuit peels off left due to the different camber angles and there's a massive sausage kerb in the Link to boot. That would definitely make for some interesting racing

Hangar Straight might be a bit too long for the telly, although seeing BTCC cars going three wide into Stowe would be quite the sight!
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Is it worth using the new Silverstone layout? Not the full GP circuit, but the new International circuit?
Do you mean what is effectively known as the "south" circuit?
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Everyone has missed an obvious one, what about Birmingham! And why not bring back the British GP support while we're at it
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Do you mean what is effectively known as the "south" circuit?
Yeah that's the new International circuit

http://www.silverstone.co.uk/track-hire/
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Do you mean what is effectively known as the "south" circuit?
Used to be. It's been 'International' for a few years now. In reverse order of size/length:

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There was rumours that maybe they would use it for 2011. Gow certainly wasn't against the idea
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