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8 Jan 2018, 13:53 (Ref:3791369) | #226 | ||
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Watson is a factory hired professional The definition of pro life is a professionally employed driver. Don’t automatically under rate him for his ranking. He may be young but has great speed My only complaint is I’d like to Ben barnicoat in one of the Mclarens as long he continues with McLaren in 2018, which loooks likely to be confirmed soon |
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Watson is a silver ranked driver. If the team did not have Scotty Mc they were be considered an Am Car
I can see the issue here, you are talking under some general rules. I am discussing Bathurst 12 hour definitions Last year the Bronze drivers were typically about 4 seconds (plus) of the pro drivers. That means a lap every hour, will require multiple timely safety cars to have any chance of staying on the lead lap. |
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IIRC Andrew Watson pedalled the McLaren to pole in the BPGT Sprint round at Zolder in 2017. He's a quick and reliable pilot.
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As I said it’s nothing to do his ranking. He’s young hence his silver ranking. Don’t doubt his speed though. Remember Thomas Laurent was a silver in 2017 and look how fast he turned out to be. And this car is going for pro-am honours. It has two fast professionally employed drivers, and two very decent paced Amateur drivers that take their Racing very seriously. I’m struggling to see why you think this is a weak car? I’m sure if it has a clean run it can comfortably contend for a pro-am win, and with heavy attrition it could do better. With a clean run that is, this is the Bathurst 12hr after all. |
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Im sure it can compete against the other Pro-am, However i dont expect it to be the favourite in that class Last edited by peckstar; 8 Jan 2018 at 23:19. |
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9 Jan 2018, 03:18 (Ref:3791474) | #231 | ||
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It’s unfair to compare it against it against a full pro lineup? That’s not the point of this car clearly... The rest is just your opinion |
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Wrong. It has two pro drivers. Both Watson and McLaughlin are widely known as paid professional racing drivers regardless of how they are classified as gold silver bronze etc. You can be silver and a paid pro driver also for what it’s worth. Last edited by rich07; 9 Jan 2018 at 03:35. |
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With Come Ledogar & Andrew Watson - this suggests McLaren GT is involved. Will be interesting to see the extent. Last edited by D.R.T.; 9 Jan 2018 at 03:45. |
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Under the rules of the 12 hour Watson is not considered a pro, Scott is the only seeded driver due to being the only Gold or platinum driver in the car. If he was not in the car this car would be considered an Am car whether he is getting paid or not is irrelevant These rules are not new have been around for many years, learn them |
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9 Jan 2018, 03:48 (Ref:3791483) | #235 | ||
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"Im sure it can compete against the other Pro-am, However i dont expect it to be the favourite in that class" |
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Its refreshing to see how much weight and importance you put in the B12HR seeding regulations Pecky - but obviously McLaren GT rate him highly enough to employ him as a Pro. I think thats what probably counts the most He has both track and car experience. Look forward to seeing him perform over the weekend. |
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9 Jan 2018, 04:50 (Ref:3791486) | #237 | ||
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In spite of having driver line ups built to the letter of the regulations, a few cars in the B12hr last year were re-seeded by the race organiser, based on the experience of some drivers. One such car was the Ash Samardi R8 of Samardi (Bronze), Matt Halliday (Gold) and Gaunt (Silver) - Moved from Am to Pro-Am. Furthermore, a Pro-AM car was bumped to Pro - the Walkenhorst M6 had Jorg Muller (Platinum) paired with two BMW factory juniors Menzel and Collard - both Silvers at the time (and similar to the position of one Andrew Watson). At the end of the day, the organiser has the final say and will scrutinise at things like factory listed drivers - regardless of the categorisation the FIA provides. |
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9 Jan 2018, 07:42 (Ref:3791491) | #238 | |
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the McLaughlin McLaren will qualify in the Top 10 and run at the front all day, just like the Lowndes car (presuming the BoP allows the McLarens to be competitive)
Dismissing the car as "just a Pro-Am" entry shows a complete lack of interest & research in GT3 racing outside of the Bathurst 12hr. Just because a car has more "Pro's" in it does not mean in any way, shape or form it will be quicker than a car with "Ams" in it. |
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9 Jan 2018, 08:00 (Ref:3791494) | #239 | ||
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How good a driver is is defined under the FIA classifications. Watson is rated as silver and is therefore not a seeded pro in the 12 hour The rules then determine what class the car races in. This McLaren is considered pro am because it has one seeded driver in it (Scott). If Scott was not in the car it would be considered an Am car. They are the rules (any predefined idea of what the terms mean is irrelevant. The Am class has changed from last year where a seeded driver was allowed, Seeded drivers are no longer allowed in the Am Class |
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9 Jan 2018, 08:03 (Ref:3791495) | #240 | ||
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Its highly doubtful it will run at the front all day though, expect at least one lap down more likely 2 (depending on SC's). that would be a top ten though and yes more pros (seeded drivers) means faster, thats exactly what it means, thats why we have a categorisation system |
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This is what people have been trying to explain: it doesn't. Young drivers who are rated as Silver have been the ultimate way of cheating the driver rating system over the last few years; get someone who is extremely quick but doesn't yet have enough experience in the eyes of the organizers, and he'll be rated as Silver even though he turns out to be as quick as the "official" Pro drivers. This only works for one year with that driver though: see the cases of a ton of drivers in the WEC who got into LMP2 ranked as Silver, put in stunning performances over a season, they all got uprated to Gold by the end of those particular seasons.
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I think you have a different idea on this topic to everyone else here Peckstar.
You can slam Watson all you want, but he’s only silver because he is young. And the definition of a PRO is a PROfessionally employee driver. I’m pretty sure having a contract with a manufacturer puts Watson into that window. And again, have a little watch of some GT Open races from 2017, you’ll find Alex West is a very proficient Am. Seeing as this car is fighting for Pro-Am honours, I’m not sure what more you expect from a pro-am lineup than 2 fast professional drivers, and 2 well experienced amateur drivers. That’s surely the definition of a good pro-am lineup Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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9 Jan 2018, 13:08 (Ref:3791534) | #244 | ||
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and your definition of pro does not meet the 12 hour rule, so its irrelevant. Its a rule definition, not a dictionary definition. Watson is considered an AM under the rules (i really dont understand why people are trying to argue about that, its the rule of the event) And im sure it is a good pro-am line up, however even by your definition of pro and am, only one Am is needed, not 2, Thus its not going to be as good as others, some of who will have two gold/platinum drivers and only one silver |
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Sorry if this has been asked 1,000,001 times already. But what time does the race start in the Eastern US time zone. Website says one thing, but then the countdown on the website seems to contradict that. It's making my head hurt, so any help is appreciated.
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9 Jan 2018, 18:18 (Ref:3791590) | #248 | ||
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It could be something simple such as the countdown clock was started before we in Eastern Australia moved to Summer time (clocks forward 1 hour) and was never re-calibrated? Just a thought.
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9 Jan 2018, 18:48 (Ref:3791598) | #249 | ||
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That's probably it. Pretty sure we are a 145pm EST green flag. That was the start time last year and if 545am was start time last year, that's it for us. So rest of the schedule would be 16 hours ahead of Eastern Standard, if my math is correct.
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9 Jan 2018, 20:41 (Ref:3791615) | #250 | |
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Countdown clock is definately about an hour out, It is suggesting the race starts at 6.55 am, Wheer as race start on the schredule is 5.45
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