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Old 1 Feb 2018, 12:37 (Ref:3797437)   #376
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It is a confusing ball indeed!

I know do know of a VL chassis - AVL XXXXX Vin number. HDT gear on it etc. Trying to understand its history.
So is it in Europe then?

Just having gone back through the most recent pages, it does seem to suggest that one of the Brock VK ETCC cars from 1986 went to TWR and the other TWR VK might well have been a brand new car.

It would be logical to assume the ex Brock one was the one that stayed in Europe and driven by Woodman and Cleland at the '86 TT and then onto Walkinshaw's shops. The post also says that the very first VLSS 88 TWR car may well have been the VK hack (this car).

Or... the other poster says it was one shunted by Moffatt at Bathurst (this could have been the Woodman TT car as Bathurst was a month after the TT after all)

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Old 1 Feb 2018, 12:47 (Ref:3797440)   #377
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So is it in Europe then?

Just having gone back through the most recent pages, it does seem to suggest that one of the Brock VK ETCC cars from 1986 went to TWR and the TWR VK other might well have been a brand new car.

It would be logical to assume the ex Brock one was the one that stayed in Europe and driven by Woodman and Cleland at the '86 TT and then onto Walkinshaw's shops. The post also says that the very first VLSS 88 TWR car may well have been this very same car....

Or... the other poster says it was one shunted by Moffatt at Bathurst (this could have been the Woodman TT car as Bathurst was a month after the TT after all)

I wonder where the Belgian VL's come from, as it is not clear. Would be interesting to know if one of Belgian Serge power cars is now back in Australia as it was sold back to England (i know this for sure!)

Prior to a VL being sold back to England, i can 100% confirm it was in Finland. The dutch rally cross cars i think were the last of the VK's left over there.
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I wonder where the Belgian VL's come from, as it is not clear. Would be interesting to know if one of Belgian Serge power cars is now back in Australia as it was sold back to England (i know this for sure!)

Prior to a VL being sold back to England, i can 100% confirm it was in Finland. The dutch rally cross cars i think were the last of the VK's left over there.
I've just sent you a PM.... but we may as well try and keep this going again!
I always assumed the Belgian cars were bought second hand from Australia at the beginning of '87 with Spa in mind. So most likely VK;s which were then facelifted?

Serge Power i'm sure had 2 cars, pedalled by various rent-a-drivers (including Delcourt). I remember seeing both at the '87 TT in the atrocious weather. The 2nd car was hired by some Brit drivers; Jerry Mahoney and I can't recall the other guy. One of the cars was a Dutch entry Jeroen Hin's Playboy car?

I think there might have been a 3rd private VL in that race prep'd by John Maguire Racing which was driven by club racers Vic Covey and Andrew Jeffrey?

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Serge Power i'm sure had 2 cars, pedalled by various rent-a-drivers (including Delcourt). I remember seeing both at the '87 TT in the atrocious weather. The 2nd car was hired by some Brit drivers; Jerry Mahoney and I can't recall the other guy. One of the cars was a Dutch entry Jeroen Hin's Playboy car?

I think there might have been a 3rd private VL in that race prep'd by John Maguire Racing which was driven by club racers Vic Covey and Andrew Jeffrey?
Jerry Mahony bought a ride in the Guyaux/Delcourt Serge Power car (note his Arquati sponsorship much in evidence)
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-09-06-023.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7178/6...92bfd6c8_b.jpg

while Covey & Jeffrey leased Hin's 'Playboy' Commodore
https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066...746222ea_b.jpg

Did Jeroen Hin use the Delcourt car at times as well? Check these pics from the Zolder ETC round- Hin and Fred Krab in what looks like the Delcourt car, but with Hin's Playboy sponsorship...

http://autosport.nl/klasse/nieuws/18...meijuni-1987/2
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Jerry Mahony bought a ride in the Guyaux/Delcourt Serge Power car (note his Arquati sponsorship much in evidence)
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-09-06-023.jpg
https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7178/6...92bfd6c8_b.jpg

while Covey & Jeffrey leased Hin's 'Playboy' Commodore
https://farm7.static.flickr.com/6066...746222ea_b.jpg

Did Jeroen Hin use the Delcourt car at times as well? Check these pics from the Zolder ETC round- Hin and Fred Krab in what looks like the Delcourt car, but with Hin's Playboy sponsorship...

http://autosport.nl/klasse/nieuws/18...meijuni-1987/2
Great stuff, thanks for the refresher KA, helps clarify a few points about who drove those cars. Memory fades over time....

I sincerely hope we get on out in MRL TCT, before too long with the 1990 cut off there would be a good choice of VK, VL or VL88 to consider...
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The Serge Power VL's were new cars built by Serge Power from kits (possibly from Roadways?)

Pretty unlikely the Cleland/Woodman TT car was the Moffat crash car from Bathurst, AFAIK the Bathurst car was the same car used by Brock & Moffat at Sandown which was around the same time as the TT.
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The Serge Power VL's were new cars built by Serge Power from kits (possibly from Roadways?)

Pretty unlikely the Cleland/Woodman TT car was the Moffat crash car from Bathurst, AFAIK the Bathurst car was the same car used by Brock & Moffat at Sandown which was around the same time as the TT.
Thanks for that snippet 155.

It does seem more and more likely that the TT car became the TWR hack, Logistically at least?

I wonder if anyone connected to the Cleland's has any recollection of what happened to it after the TT?
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Thanks for that snippet 155.

It does seem more and more likely that the TT car became the TWR hack, Logistically at least?

I wonder if anyone connected to the Cleland's has any recollection of what happened to it after the TT?
One of the Brock 'European tour' VKs - presumably the TT car - was definitely being advertised in Autosport some time (October) after the TT- and although the address was given as Bertie Street, the two contact phone numbers listed were for Bill Cleland and Tony Fall at Opel- IIRC Brock based his cars at Opel's motorsport HQ in Russelheim, and used their transporters etc during his '86 European venture.

The car being advertised in Europe with contacts given in the UK and Germany suggests it didn't go back 'down under'
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One of the Brock 'European tour' VKs - presumably the TT car - was definitely being advertised in Autosport some time (October) after the TT- and although the address was given as Bertie Street, the two contact phone numbers listed were for Bill Cleland and Tony Fall at Opel- IIRC Brock based his cars at Opel's motorsport HQ in Russelheim, and used their transporters etc during his '86 European venture.

The car being advertised in Europe with contacts given in the UK and Germany suggests it didn't go back 'down under'
Yes, great, thanks again KA.

The question that springs to mind from that advert is were they acting as agents for the sale on behalf of Brock or Holden?

With the TT as a taster, did the Cleland's and Vince initially have designs on running it in the BTCC or ETCC in 1987, presumably as a pseudo works effort with DCRS/Opel Europe?
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