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Why '97? The 2 litre Bathurst was a much better race than the V8 race that year. The V8 field simply fell apart and despite fewer numbers the 2 litre race remained competitive to the end.
So it would be difficult to criticise the 2 litre race in respect of the racing. The lack of public support of the event and the general ill will between the two camps definitely deserved close attention. By '98 it was clear public support was behind be the V8's, despite the 2 litre cars providing arguably the greatest Great Race to date. And of course '99 was a farce, but not helped by the weather. The whole future tourer concept was flawed and a cynical attempt to get back the V8 crowed by cashing in on the appeal of the V8. |
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To quote noted Great Race historian, David Greenhalgh, in The Offical History of the Great Race...."in contrast to the relatively uninteresting race put on by the popular V8s, the much maligned Super Touring category had produced an absolute cracker.." Of course your mileage might vary. |
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Being critical of V8s isn't taking the 2ltr side, because he was criticising the 2ltr's at the same time! |
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you asked for evidence but give none to support what you just said
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Was great hearing McKay on the replay of the 1991 Bathurst 1000 this morning. It was almost like he was involved in motorsport before 1997 - 1999 and enjoyed being of the race and knew what he was talking about.
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But everybody else (Brad Jones, Paul Morris etc), who backed the 2 litre series moved on once it was over. So if McKay was anti V8, and not supportive of the 2 litre series, he presumably thought something else should have been the premier category. Or was he just one of those who thought everything was wrong, but had no solutions?
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A journo's job isn't to provide answers, it's to ask questions.
Sometimes Peter McKay asked questions that didn't (and still doesn't) appease the V8 Supercars way of thinking. |
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Just to give context to all of this - there's several phases to this thing with McKay. He's an excellent, experienced and often entertaining motoring writer. Aside from his column, his feature writing for magazines is first class - the sort of thing Phelps and most internet-raised journos today couldn't hope to do.
He's also a very handy driver and competed at Bathurst several times pre-97. When the split came for the Bathursts - he definitely took sides with the 2L. He saw them as the future and the V8s as on the way out. To digress slightly - he was half right. He foresaw (as did many) the demise of the Commodore and the Falcon and with the entrenched attitude and regulations of 'must be V8 Ford & Holden' back then, it was not an unrealistic scenario to envisage the accompanying demise of the series, replaced by international imports. But, V8s prevailed because 2L weren't popular enough to be sustainable and the V8s evolved to survive. But the antipathy from then on was less V8 v 2L - it was between Cochrane and McKay. I've written on this forum before that McKay got a rough deal from V8s, but that there came a point when he was so incessantly negative about them that I could see why they wouldn't bother trying to appease him. It was very personal between TC & PM - a lot more so behind the scenes than it was in print, with many slanderous statements going both ways. But PM was and is a motoring and motorsport journo first up and he loves the sport and the event. He had a mutual hatred with TC so it was a poisonous atmosphere. But when TC left, PM let up on the criticisms, was back in the fold and it's all happy families. Criticisms by him are less frequent, more reasoned and also better received by V8s. Because TC, for all his smarts, was rather Trump-like when it came to receiving any criticism. He went for the jugular, regardless of how reasonable the critique was. |
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Don't you just love it when a considered, sensible opinion such as eduardo's kills a 5 page thread with one post???
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Unfortunately there's no doubting McKay's pedigree but as far as the V8 racing is concerned, every year his hemorrhoids get worse and worse... |
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Like you said Eduardo's post is measured and sensible.Unfortunately your second paragraph directly contradicts Eduardo's last paragraph.
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