2018 VASC Silly Season (with POLL)

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

You can tell the difference between two otherwise identical road cars, not sure why race cars would be any different

Really!?

If you set the tyres pressures identically, and both supplied with the same tyres, I would be amazed if you could tell any difference...

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by DV_08

Clearly a done deal then.

I think I have missed something, whats a done deal. Courtney and Team 18 with Holdsworth or what

[Umai Naa]

You missed the sarcasm.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by mceci1

I think I have missed something, whats a done deal. Courtney and Team 18 with Holdsworth or what

The way things have gone so far, I wouldn't think Holdsworth would hold on to that seat next year no matter what Courtney does. They need to change up something.

[Umai Naa]

I'd suspect Mr Holdsworth presents good value for money for Mr Schwerkolt.

Decent steerer, doesn't command the rockstar paypacket of others.

[PS2244]

Why would Charlie drop Lee? He's a good value for money driver and has a tremendous ability being the wheel. He's done a very good job this year so far

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

I'd suspect Mr Holdsworth presents good value for money for Mr Schwerkolt.

Decent steerer, doesn't command the rockstar paypacket of others.

At some point won't Mr Schwerkolt be wanting race results rather than just good value for money?

Originally Posted by LD2244

Why would Charlie drop Lee?

Lack of results?

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by one five five

At some point won't Mr Schwerkolt be wanting race results rather than just good value for money?




Lack of results?

Lack of results? He's currently 12th in the championship with 2 top ten results and collected 3 top tens last season for a one car team of their size in its infancy that's a pretty good job

[one five five]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Lack of results? He's currently 12th in the championship with 2 top ten results and collected 3 top tens last season for a one car team of their size in its infancy that's a pretty good job

12th place is basically mid-pack. Surely both would be wanting better?

The current driver/team arrangement doesn't seem like it will be a winner anytime soon.

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by one five five

12th place is basically mid-pack. Surely both would be wanting better?

The current driver/team arrangement doesn't seem like it will be a winner anytime soon.

Considering they're starting from scratch they where always going to take a while to get to the top the point I'm making is they're making strides with Lee behind the wheel. They where towards to rear of the field last season now they've moved up to be a consistent mid pack team

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Considering they're starting from scratch they where always going to take a while to get to the top the point I'm making is they're making strides with Lee behind the wheel. They where towards to rear of the field last season now they've moved up to be a consistent mid pack team

This is year 2 in a 888 customer car program for PHR.

Tekno is the benchmark, having the same chassis/engine supply.

Tekno are there or there abouts in the top 10 in more sessions than not, and some decent race results when not binning the toy.

Hard to say the same things about PHR.. 12th place not withstanding

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

This is year 2 in a 888 customer car program for PHR.

Tekno is the benchmark, having the same chassis/engine supply.

Tekno are there or there abouts in the top 10 in more sessions than not, and some decent race results when not binning the toy.

Hard to say the same things about PHR.. 12th place not withstanding

Tekno is an established team with a greater aces to resources and funding. Team18 only has around 12 employees and is only in its 2nd year on their own feet, give them time and they'll be there but to be "there" they need to keep Lee onboard

[Umai Naa]

Many of the staff within Chasports have been around a very long time.

They're hardly rookies.

[PS2244]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Many of the staff within Chasports have been around a very long time.

They're hardly rookies.

Not implying the employees are rookies, I meant as a overall entity their new to running their own operation instead of running under another teams banner.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by LD2244

Not implying the employees are rookies, I meant as a overall entity their new to running their own operation instead of running under another teams banner.

What Mr Grech doesn't know about running a race team probably isn't worth knowing...

[Razor]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

This is year 2 in a 888 customer car program for PHR.

Tekno is the benchmark, having the same chassis/engine supply.

Tekno are there or there abouts in the top 10 in more sessions than not, and some decent race results when not binning the toy.

Hard to say the same things about PHR.. 12th place not withstanding

Originally Posted by LD2244

Tekno is an established team with a greater aces to resources and funding. Team18 only has around 12 employees and is only in its 2nd year on their own feet, give them time and they'll be there but to be "there" they need to keep Lee onboard

Would be interesting if Charlie and Jono teamed up to create a two car team. But then again, Tekno is pretty much the "fourth" Triple Eight car.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

This is year 2 in a 888 customer car program for PHR.

Tekno is the benchmark, having the same chassis/engine supply.

Tekno are there or there abouts in the top 10 in more sessions than not, and some decent race results when not binning the toy.

Hard to say the same things about PHR.. 12th place not withstanding

Given Charlie knew better than Dick about how to run things, he might well know better than Roland too.

[Umai Naa]

It wasn't so much about Charlie knowing better than Dick.

It was a case of everyone knowing better than Jill

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Forda

Given Charlie knew better than Dick about how to run things, he might well know better than Roland too.

Terrible example.

Save an iconic team that was a complete basketcase, get it into a championship winning position, and get shown the door because of broken promises...

Returns to basketcase status the very next year.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Terrible example.

Save an iconic team that was a complete basketcase, get it into a championship winning position, and get shown the door because of broken promises...

Returns to basketcase status the very next year.

Well if that was indeed the case, then why hasn't this 'single-handed success creator' been able to replicate the same, or anything near, again

Rather, it is their lack of success which is the topic at hand.

[Mixer]

It was the case, the results are obvious to see.

DJR was a shambles, and it was a miracle that they managed to hang onto the Jim Beam sponsorship, and with Charlie's support and direction they managed to recruit Burgess, Courtney and others and in 888 machinery they were a force that year.

In 2011 they were 15th and 23rd in the series, and 9th in the teams championship, 2nd last out of the 2 car teams.

2012 they were 17th, 19th and 21st in the series.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Mixer

It was the case, the results are obvious to see.

DJR was a shambles, and it was a miracle that they managed to hang onto the Jim Beam sponsorship, and with Charlie's support and direction they managed to recruit Burgess, Courtney and others and in 888 machinery they were a force that year.

In 2011 they were 15th and 23rd in the series, and 9th in the teams championship, 2nd last out of the 2 car teams.

2012 they were 17th, 19th and 21st in the series.

The issues though are:

(1) Charlie is being credited for 100% of DJR's 2010 championship win, which is incorrect, and

(2) Based on the above premise, then why has this feat never even been close to being repeated; and furthermore why are they not (yet) matching Teckno, who have the same setup and are a clear benchmark?

[Mixer]

It isn't incorrect, without Charlie it is likely DJR would have ceased to exist.

No one person can ever be 100% responsible but Charlie quite literally saved the team when he joined in 2008, and began a period of stability the team had not had for a very long time, allowing the recruitment of excellent people and ultimate the championship win in 2010. DJR's fall after Charlie left was immediate and swift.

It is much more difficult to bring big buck sponsors to a noname team, and it is impossible to compare a very small, sensibly run team to the DJR of 2010, with a big name sponsor (even if the dollars were not big), some very big names (Courtney/Burgess/Scott Sinclair).

To deny Charlie's contribution to DJR's championship by saying he hasn't repeated it with his own small team, is just logically flawed.

Reported from 2008:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/arch...2f0e32f34f61d9

Melbourne businessman Charlie Schwerkolt jumped aboard DJR at the start of the season to ensure the team's survival, but co-owner and V8 legend Dick Johnson remains in difficulty and will present a proposal to creditors this week to repay part of his $6 million debt.

Kinda hard to argue with, really.

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by one five five

The way things have gone so far, I wouldn't think Holdsworth would hold on to that seat next year no matter what Courtney does. They need to change up something.

Highly disagree, Charlie and Lee knew at the start of last year it would be a battle. Last year was full of incidents that had very little to do with Lee. Some bright spark at Darwin hit Holdsworth triggering fence contact (it wasn't Jason Bright either) then his replacements crashed in Kostecki and made a lot of dumb decisions before Reindler entered.


This year has made a big improvement in my opinion, reliablilty is better and they have been in the 10 a couple of times, so I wouldn't say Charlie is looking to dump Lee, if he is then its a dumb move and potentially disastrous in this stage of development

[mceci1]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

This is year 2 in a 888 customer car program for PHR.

Tekno is the benchmark, having the same chassis/engine supply.

Tekno are there or there abouts in the top 10 in more sessions than not, and some decent race results when not binning the toy.

Hard to say the same things about PHR.. 12th place not withstanding

Don't forget though, Tekno started worse then Team 18, very slow compared to the DJR cars in 2010. Didn't really come on until 2014, gave them 4 years of decent development, I'd say that's about the same for Team 18