'02 Astc?? - Page 51

racer69 · 18 Apr 2003, 04:44 (Ref:572788)

The heart of the problem was that none of the Australian teams built their own cars, they always relied on overseas imports. Had we built our own cars, the state of play overseas in Super Touring may not have had the same effects over here, not just in the state of how strong the class was, but also in regards to the competitive cars available, tuning and maintenance etc...

Morris 1100 · 18 Apr 2003, 05:36 (Ref:572810)

The rules for Supertouring were written when there was no manufacturer involvement and the rules were left very open to encourage privateer teams to build cars.
Then the first manufacturer came in, saw the open rules, built a car, and wiped the floor clean.
The rules needed to be tighter to keep costs down and keep the interest level of the car companies up.

kmchow · 18 Apr 2003, 05:38 (Ref:572811)

Interestingly, I recall Australia tried to do a put together a BTCC based series using locally built (non-FIA certified) cars. That never really took off. While the STCC has tried that for '03 and they seem to be doing very well? Different time or just differnt market all together? Go figure?

racer69 · 18 Apr 2003, 05:45 (Ref:572816)

Would you mean Future Touring? By the time TOCA Australia got serious about that the concept was 2 or 3 years old, had been through a court case with AVESCO, various name changes and was looked upon as just a copy of V8Supercars.

kmchow · 18 Apr 2003, 06:59 (Ref:572833)

No, I think it was called Super Production? They were the rules that TOCA proposed to replace ST. But after the new organization took over, they introduced something called BTC Tourers instead? I have to applaud ASTC for taking such a proactive measure and support TOCA. Too bad it was never accepted?

THE VOICE · 18 Apr 2003, 09:48 (Ref:572941)

For the record, after some considerable work by Tony Fasono Mal Rea's carina in the hands of W Wakefield was a high Qualifier and after borrowing parts from Mcleam Motorsport in the morning practice session prior to race start,it was less than .5 of a second off pole and was on the rev limiter at the bridge prior to the chase.
We quickley changed to ratio's and was looking forward to the race until the crash on the mountain.

That car had a toms engine and in the right hands was a rocket and may still be.....

Mal give it to a great engineer

**GTRMagic** · 18 Apr 2003, 10:51 (Ref:573022)

What parts would have been interchangeable between a BMW and a Toyota??

THE VOICE · 18 Apr 2003, 12:53 (Ref:573101)

break rotors and gearing

THE VOICE · 18 Apr 2003, 12:53 (Ref:573104)

they were vectra parts

The Tool Man · 18 Apr 2003, 12:56 (Ref:573108)

Really - I didnt know that !!!

kmchow · 18 Apr 2003, 22:35 (Ref:573583)

So I guess the Toyota parts are worn out? Thus the poor performance and reliability of the car?

racer69 · 19 Apr 2003, 07:33 (Ref:573783)

Quote:

Originally posted by kmchow
No, I think it was called Super Production? They were the rules that TOCA proposed to replace ST. But after the new organization took over, they introduced something called BTC Tourers instead? I have to applaud ASTC for taking such a proactive measure and support TOCA. Too bad it was never accepted?

The latest efforts of ASTEM have been geared towards possibly going towards Super Production, but TOCA's aim for 2001 and beyond was V8 Future Touring. When the series lost it's TV deal though, TOCA bailed. As far as i know TOCA Australia never made any efforts to implememt BTC Touring.

**GTRMagic** · 19 Apr 2003, 08:31 (Ref:573819)

I would agree with that Racer69... TOCA was actually paying for its coverage on the commercial networks, with the sponsorship from BOC largely.

The BOC deal was interesting, the arrangement was with the CEO of the business, not the marketing department, or with multi levels in that business. The CEO left for reasons nor made readily apparent, and the business was 'stuck' with SuperTouring....

If I recall rightly, the BOC deal still had a few years to go when TOCA gave up on it

D.R.T. · 20 Apr 2003, 08:47 (Ref:574607)

Strange, I thought 2000-2001 was the final year of the deal made in 1996.

**GTRMagic** · 20 Apr 2003, 09:30 (Ref:574639)

There was an option extended I thought... after the first season

True Believer · 22 Apr 2003, 03:07 (Ref:576078)

Maybe you should ask SORF boy Morris... he had BOC on the front of his car for a while, I see he has the brand name of his plonk on there now....

D.R.T. · 23 Apr 2003, 13:28 (Ref:578027)

Brad Jones, the great former ASTC Champion still has small BOC signage on his Falcon

racer69 · 23 Apr 2003, 13:50 (Ref:578040)

BOC were sponsering John Faulkner (small signage on the car, but still) while they were still sponsering the ASTC.

the man · 26 Apr 2003, 09:39 (Ref:581347)

anyone know the size of the field is going to be at the first round of this year's championship

D.R.T. · 26 Apr 2003, 10:57 (Ref:581377)

Not sure, their is an entry list on the ASTEM site.

Wayne Kerr · 26 Apr 2003, 11:14 (Ref:581384)

supertouring was ****
give it up already

TheGspot · 26 Apr 2003, 23:48 (Ref:581760)

Why so critical, they will bet full fields of 11 without a doubt.

Mattracer · 27 Apr 2003, 00:26 (Ref:581777)

Just thought I'd add a post to keep this record-setting and irrelevant-to-Australian fans thread going.

I liked it once, in about 95/96 but after then, why, why?

Crash Test · 27 Apr 2003, 00:55 (Ref:581787)

I still really enjoyed up to the end of 1998. Cam McLean sticking it to the Volvo and the Audis was top stuff... and Bathurst that year was a cracker

racer69 · 27 Apr 2003, 11:43 (Ref:581995)

Quote:

Originally posted by Mattracer
Just thought I'd add a post to keep this record-setting and irrelevant-to-Australian fans thread going.

I liked it once, in about 95/96 but after then, why, why?

How is a thread about Australian Super Touring irrelevant to Australian fans?

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