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Old 15 Jan 2018, 10:41 (Ref:3792846)   #226
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I thought some more Ginetta LMP1 teams were going to be announced at the Autosport Show, but obviously not.......perhaps they want to see its real speed in a test first?.........

first WEC race is 5th May, so its now less than 4 months to the first race........I feel its probably now too late for any new LMP1 teams to commit?.....or am I mistaken?.....
And the (compulsory?) Prologue at Paul Ricard on 6/7 April.
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Old 15 Jan 2018, 11:44 (Ref:3792858)   #227
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which is 12 weeks / 3 months away.......crikey thats cutting it awfully fine......I would be surprised to see a few more LMP1 teams pop up in that time, with drivers signed, planned logistics and ready to go.......I just cant see it happening.......are there any LMP2 teams still dithering as to what to do in 2018 or are they all committed to LMP2?

In which case I wouldnt be surprised to see Manor expand to 2 cars quite quickly.......and perhaps Ginetta themselves to put together a factory team to make a 3 or 4 car entry.
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Old 15 Jan 2018, 11:57 (Ref:3792860)   #228
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Could well be purchases made already... just no announcements out. Not saying its too optimistic, just a possibility. You never know, maybe a few cars will wait to cause a surprise at the WEC 9th February reveal..
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Old 15 Jan 2018, 12:05 (Ref:3792862)   #229
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ahhhh riiiiiight.....your obviously well informed and know more than your letting on.......
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which is 12 weeks / 3 months away.......crikey thats cutting it awfully fine......I would be surprised to see a few more LMP1 teams pop up in that time, with drivers signed, planned logistics and ready to go.......I just cant see it happening.......are there any LMP2 teams still dithering as to what to do in 2018 or are they all committed to LMP2?

In which case I wouldnt be surprised to see Manor expand to 2 cars quite quickly.......and perhaps Ginetta themselves to put together a factory team to make a 3 or 4 car entry.
Even if the Ricard test is compulsory (?) teams probably would just be handed force majeure waivers for missing it, so it's not the end of the world... and Ginetta could just send a test mule chassis there themselves if they wanted to hand data for any potential customers only signing up as late as February (?)

Anyway if there is a second Manor, I'd think it to be Le Mans only?

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I'd stick up for the Dallara in Caddy form, and say there aren't build quality issues. But yes they had issues at le mans with the stock P2.
Everything in IMSA is heavily performance balanced so I wouldn't read anything into those results
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Old 15 Jan 2018, 13:57 (Ref:3792883)   #231
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Well turns out that the Ricard test IS mandatory and for every registered vehicle

2018 SR 9.1
-- The Prologue (the official pre-season collective testing) is organised by the Promoter, with the prior approval of the FIA. A competitor entering for the full season of the FIA World Endurance Championship with one or more cars in one or more categories is obliged to take part in the Prologue with all its cars in all categories.

But if you enter extra vehicle for LM-only I don't think you have to, as it only says full season entries are mandated to participate

Also as said before waivers have always existed...
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Old 22 Jan 2018, 15:05 (Ref:3794286)   #232
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Ginetta G60-LT-P1 Has First Roll Out

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Old 22 Jan 2018, 16:11 (Ref:3794304)   #233
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Both looks and sounds like a proper race car with the proper engine - Ginetta should be very proud of this, I'm preying they get more orders.
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The P3 (front) is actually aesthetically prettier in my opinion but the lower LMP spec classes don't really have to focus much on performance. Nevertheless in motion this is beauty too
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looked a bit wet!

Can't wait to see this thing in action this year.
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That's the sound of the Mecachrome? It looks like the sound was added later.
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Old 22 Jan 2018, 21:48 (Ref:3794395)   #237
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I like the car quite a lot + cool livery. Will probably change.

Reminds me a little bit of 2014 R18, but looks better.
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Old 22 Jan 2018, 21:59 (Ref:3794397)   #238
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If they knew about Mecachrome with outlet within the V, like at R18, they could have made something more interesting with sidepods and all that "air-through". Pity, that all other engines are not so compact.
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Old 23 Jan 2018, 02:15 (Ref:3794446)   #239
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That's the sound of the Mecachrome? It looks like the sound was added later.
Why do you say that? I didn't think that until I watched it again after reading your comment. It does sound a little off, but I think I was getting confused with the music playing.
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Why do you say that? I didn't think that until I watched it again after reading your comment. It does sound a little off, but I think I was getting confused with the music playing.
At the end of the video, when the screen is black it sound clear. But I had my doubts when I heard it the first time. However there is nothing to hide about the engine.

The car looks really good.
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Old 23 Jan 2018, 14:50 (Ref:3794545)   #241
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Yes, it’s gonna be something when we finally see that thing driven in anger in the championship. Certainly made the WEC continue to be worth watching. Thanks Ginetta and Manor
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Here's another quick video of the car
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Looks better every time. Credit where credits due, much like Cadillac and Dallara...... Ginetta also have put together a proper program, appear to have done their homework well, with the correct people and partners involved......I dont think Oreca can say the same.....for BR, I remain to be convinced, but Dallaras involvement may save the day, but the re-worked AER engine needs to prove itself first.

it would not surprise me to see this Ginetta trounce all the LMP1 privateer teams......I'm still struggling to believe just 1 car will run in the WEC......hopefully Manor will expand to a second car - if all planets align.......perhaps another team may also commit at the 11th hour.......my fingers are crossed.
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Looks better every time. Credit where credits due, much like Cadillac and Dallara...... Ginetta also have put together a proper program, appear to have done their homework well, with the correct people and partners involved......I dont think Oreca can say the same.....for BR, I remain to be convinced, but Dallaras involvement may save the day, but the re-worked AER engine needs to prove itself first.

it would not surprise me to see this Ginetta trounce all the LMP1 privateer teams......I'm still struggling to believe just 1 car will run in the WEC......hopefully Manor will expand to a second car - if all planets align.......perhaps another team may also commit at the 11th hour.......my fingers are crossed.
I hope they could bring another car. The car looks fast but they need to be reliable.
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Good video, it sounds a bit like a Porsche.
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Looks better every time. Credit where credits due, much like Cadillac and Dallara...... Ginetta also have put together a proper program, appear to have done their homework well, with the correct people and partners involved......I dont think Oreca can say the same.....for BR, I remain to be convinced, but Dallaras involvement may save the day, but the re-worked AER engine needs to prove itself first.

it would not surprise me to see this Ginetta trounce all the LMP1 privateer teams......I'm still struggling to believe just 1 car will run in the WEC......hopefully Manor will expand to a second car - if all planets align.......perhaps another team may also commit at the 11th hour.......my fingers are crossed.
I hope there's no trouncing. I don't think the Ginetta is going to be as sorted as the BR Engineering Dallara at first. It's had much more running to get past any hurdles. Maybe the Ginetta will be super reliable out the box, you never know! I really want to see every one of the 4 private cars/teams be equal and able to keep pace with Toyota.
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i think lmp1 private cars will have a very good pace in tracks like spa and le mans, compared to toyota. Maybe in other tracks, the advantage of the hybrid system could be more important.

I will probably run some simulations with a "LMP1 like" vehicle model in the next future and hopefully i will be able to present the results before the official test in paul ricard.
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As for chassis being "optimized for Le Mans", the Ginetta looks to be the only question mark for me in that regard...

The new Oreca will be 100% LM special, I'm sure of it on the basis of the last 2 chassis. The cars are "fine" elsewhere but amazing at LM

CLM and it's aero have always been less-crap at Le Mans and Spa, terrible elsewhere. IIRC at Spa they every year have awful sector 2 but pretty competitive S1 and S3

Dallara, the LMP2 was (way too) trimmed for top speed while sacrificing corners, so I think their intended philosophy was to make it LM-special too, they just failed at it. The new P1 probably follows the same ideology but hopefully makes it bit easier to move around

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They're allowed two aero packages. Unless they want to run the LM kit for the whole season they should take advantage of that rule.
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I've put this question at "Mulsanne's Corner" FB page and would like to ask here too. How do these diffuser elements work (if they are not optical illusion or fictional ones just for the show). They seem to be dettached from the top of the diffuser.
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