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Old 21 Jan 2018, 16:09 (Ref:3794136)   #31
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Grant, there is a specific thread discussing over-complication, here- http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151558
Ah, so there is. Thanks for the link.

Seems a bit comatose though.

Should we wake it up?
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Old 21 Jan 2018, 20:23 (Ref:3794151)   #32
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Old 24 Jan 2018, 18:50 (Ref:3794793)   #33
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Something more modern and smaller, but which (from sales figures and time on sale) proved to be too clever for the buying public- the Toyota iQ, along with itís vastly more expensive spin off, the Aston Martin Cygnet! I remember Clarkson on Top Gear renaming the Toyota the ĎZanussií, due to its white-goods like proportions.......

There was a clever reason for Aston wanting to sell their version- itís low emissions would help them achieve a lower average for their range. However, as you can read from the following, not exactly a big seller, but ironically sought after now. Mostly by AM collectors.....

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/aston-m...n-cygnet-story
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Old 24 Jan 2018, 20:15 (Ref:3794812)   #34
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Does the Renault Evantime qualify? Certainly had a very limited lifespan......
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Something more modern and smaller, but which (from sales figures and time on sale) proved to be too clever for the buying public- the Toyota iQ, along with itís vastly more expensive spin off, the Aston Martin Cygnet! I remember Clarkson on Top Gear renaming the Toyota the ĎZanussií, due to its white-goods like proportions.......

There was a clever reason for Aston wanting to sell their version- itís low emissions would help them achieve a lower average for their range. However, as you can read from the following, not exactly a big seller, but ironically sought after now. Mostly by AM collectors.....

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/aston-m...n-cygnet-story
They sold 141 in the UK?

Really?

Back in the year of launch I think I saw one on the road and two outside an AM dealership.

Then nothing until last year when I was following one out of Henley but too far back to catch up and et a closer look before it turned off.

Too clever?

On the basis that they didn't sell many into a target market that is somewhat prone to buying trinkets.... possibly not?

150 hours build time maybe reflects some re-manufacturing effort rather than comparable build time alone for a new DB9?
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Does the Renault Evantime qualify? Certainly had a very limited lifespan......

The Avantime must qualify for something - only 8,500 built.

Renault were making some strange things back then, The Vel Satis was quite odd too but sold more.

Their styling was definitely on the unusual side of interesting.
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Old 24 Jan 2018, 21:23 (Ref:3794825)   #37
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(AM Cygnet)- Too clever? On the basis that they didn't sell many into a target market that is somewhat prone to buying trinkets.... possibly not?
Youíre looking at the Cygnet in isolation, but I was looking at it as really just a (very) highly specified Toyota so therefore suffering the same odd proportions, strange seating layout (for 3.5 peeps) and tiny luggage capacity. BTW apparently the iQ has an airbag behind the rear seats as the heads of any passenger(s) in the back are so close....

Avantime? The answer to a question nobody asked, IMO!
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Here’s another small car that failed to capture the European public’s imagination- the Peugeot 1007. This review is spot on so no excuses for the link.... https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbyca...eot/1007-2005/

Anecodatal evidence suggests that the electric sliding doors were so slow, if it was raining you got soaked getting in or out! Peugeot also had to educate us that the car was not a ‘one-0-0-7’, as that upset the James Bond franchise people. I think it was sold as the ‘ten-0-7’ to avoid conflict.......

Anyway, it tried to be clever and failed. Now if you see one it will likely be being driven by someone of the same demographic as a Toyota Yaris Verso, although despite it’s looks, that is a far more usable car.

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