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Old 7 Aug 2017, 19:29 (Ref:3758039)   #16
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You get 20 odd threads per index page, currently those threads cover everything.

By Sub-foruming off some categories, that will give each of those it's own index page so in fact it will keep more of the latest posts in each category on it's own 1st index page and easier to find.
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Old 7 Aug 2017, 19:49 (Ref:3758046)   #17
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Would creating sub forums allow for more, shorter threads? If we start doing more focused but shorter threads with the forum in its current state, wouldn't we lose threads even quicker?
It's a circular argument I guess, if threads are popular and members want to post to them, they won't go too far down. Survival of the fittest. But e.g. threads which detail the history of a particular car (or evolutions of cars) which span several years aren't particularly useful - especially for newer members...
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Old 7 Aug 2017, 20:03 (Ref:3758048)   #18
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Like I said, I'll happily moderate the IMSA section if needed - only if so I can get around the editing time limit for my IMSA race threads, so I can update entry lists.
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Old 8 Aug 2017, 00:04 (Ref:3758071)   #19
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Not to mention that we've had threads here that proved popular that have been here forever. The LMP1 evo/future rules thread dates back to 2007 I think. Of course, there's a newer one that got started, but that's directed at LMP1 right now (though I see where the threads should probably merge).

But as I said, that original thread dates back to 2007. Car threads are also a few years old. The Audi LMP1 thread covers three designations of car (R10, R15, R18 series), 7 or 8 generations of car, and was started back in 2008. Toyota thread covers three main generations of car and dates back to 2011. The Porsche thread is newer, but also about 4-5 years old.

Also, could there maybe be a technical sub-forum? I know that we have a motorsports technology thread, but a lot of the threads in the sportscar section do revolve around technology.
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Old 9 Aug 2017, 21:14 (Ref:3758458)   #20
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I think yes. Given the current number of members writing about sports cars, we have some big threads where several topics are mixed up. Having more specific threads would hep to improive the conversation.

For example, the IMSA DPi thread can have messages about the new Penske / Acura project, Joest replacing Speedsource as Mazda partner, Pipo Derani replacing Ed Brown at Extreme Speed, the unfair balance of performance, possible Petit Le Mans entries, and the possibility of the ACO accepting them for the 24 Hours of Le Mans. It's a mess.
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I think yes. Given the current number of members writing about sports cars, we have some big threads where several topics are mixed up. Having more specific threads would hep to improive the conversation.

For example, the IMSA DPi thread can have messages about the new Penske / Acura project, Joest replacing Speedsource as Mazda partner, Pipo Derani replacing Ed Brown at Extreme Speed, the unfair balance of performance, possible Petit Le Mans entries, and the possibility of the ACO accepting them for the 24 Hours of Le Mans. It's a mess.
Isn't that more about where people post information than the layout? Just because people don't or won't put things in the right place adding new areas won't necessarily mean less clutter or on topic posting.
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 15:10 (Ref:3758624)   #22
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Isn't that more about where people post information than the layout? Just because people don't or won't put things in the right place adding new areas won't necessarily mean less clutter or on topic posting.
You might be right with that.

Is it because these ultra long threads are too generic now? We've got a DPI thread, an IMSA 2016/2017 thread, an IMSA 2018 thread, an IMSA 2018 Calendar thread. So where does the news of the Mazda DPi moving to Joest go? Could fit in any of those, and would probably be discussed in them all, thus spreading the conversation about too much.

If NA racing had its own forum, would it be better to make threads more specific - so a Mazda DPi thread, which makes it easier to know where to post it?

I don't know of course, just thinking outloud. There's also a thought process that suggests that if you make sub forums, they'll get less traffic as people ignore deeper level forums. If that happens, you could just put ACO Sportscars and NA Sportscars under the "Saloon and Sports Racing" type forum, between "Sportscar & GT Racing" and "Australian Touring Cars"?
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Old 10 Aug 2017, 20:38 (Ref:3758672)   #23
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You might be right with that.

Is it because these ultra long threads are too generic now? We've got a DPI thread, an IMSA 2016/2017 thread, an IMSA 2018 thread, an IMSA 2018 Calendar thread. So where does the news of the Mazda DPi moving to Joest go? Could fit in any of those, and would probably be discussed in them all, thus spreading the conversation about too much.

If NA racing had its own forum, would it be better to make threads more specific - so a Mazda DPi thread, which makes it easier to know where to post it?

I don't know of course, just thinking outloud. There's also a thought process that suggests that if you make sub forums, they'll get less traffic as people ignore deeper level forums. If that happens, you could just put ACO Sportscars and NA Sportscars under the "Saloon and Sports Racing" type forum, between "Sportscar & GT Racing" and "Australian Touring Cars"?
More subforums could help with this, but I wouldn't expect this behaviour to completely change. If it doesn't then we still have same the issue than now but with more clutter.
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That's a problem where similar discussions take place in other threads because one subject can fit into several threads. We have two LMP1 threads basically (LM future rules and LMP1 future), the DPI/IMSA 2017/IMSA 2018 thread that Akrapovic mentioned as an example, and the various LMP1 team threads (TMG, Porsche and Audi Sport if someone wants to resurrect that thread).

I don't know if having dedicated WEC/LM24, team, and IMSA threads is what we need. Maybe NA vs International as suggested. The LM24 itself has it's own subforum.
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So we all agree with having a North American subforum, right?

Now, my opinion is that the FIA WEC has plenty of ongoing discussions. But there's plenty of other sports car championships as well, which get relegated in the thread list. Having a FIA WEC / ACO subforum would allow the threads about GT3, GT4, Super GT and other championships to be more visible.

Yes there's a "GT3 manufacturers" thread. But there's a dozen manufacturers. The 2017 Blancpain GT thread has 22 pages, which makes it difficult to follow the different discussions in it.
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22 pages really isnt a lot though.

You can crank through that in like an hour at an extremely slow pace.
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Good idea, though one more suggestion.

Next to ACO Regulated Series, consider an SRO Regulated Series subforum

This would group Blancpain, British GT, GT4 and even IGTC in one place, instead of cluttering the default Sportscar & GT Forum.
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Something to consider. Although we do need some series to stay in the general forum.
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True, but we'll have plenty of national series and series like VdeV, Creventic, VLN and of course the "generic" stuff.
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22 pages really isnt a lot though.

You can crank through that in like an hour at an extremely slow pace.
Probably only a very small percentage of our members actually spend an hour at a time on the forum. And does a thread which is 22 pages long catch people's attention sufficiently persuade them to wade through it (and through what has often become historical stuff for the first 10-15 of those pages)?
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