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Old 24 Sep 2013, 20:20 (Ref:3308892)   #276
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Am I right saying that HARD (financial) problems started when James Cole suddenly departed ?
Cole's main (only?) sponsor was his own road safety campaign, and I doubt that was bringing a huge amount of cash to the team.
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Old 24 Sep 2013, 20:36 (Ref:3308900)   #277
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Ciceley?
I guess they'd be the obvious candidate for a Mercedes entry- apart from the sponsorship connection, Morgan senior used to rally a 190E back in the 80's...

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Old 24 Sep 2013, 21:14 (Ref:3308913)   #278
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Makes sense,
Would Mercedes allow it?

The new A Class would be a nice looking touring car.
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Old 24 Sep 2013, 21:35 (Ref:3308925)   #279
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Would Mercedes allow it?
They don't get a choice.
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Old 24 Sep 2013, 22:30 (Ref:3308959)   #280
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Well, considering that Steele didn't even make it out at Enna Pergusa...
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Old 24 Sep 2013, 22:43 (Ref:3308970)   #281
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Would Mercedes allow it?

The new A Class would be a nice looking touring car.
Yes the CLA saloon would be a good choice.
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 07:29 (Ref:3309069)   #282
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 07:49 (Ref:3309085)   #283
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 08:02 (Ref:3309091)   #284
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 08:04 (Ref:3309092)   #285
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More pics here http://www.touringcartimes.com/2013/...-in-2014-btcc/

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Old 25 Sep 2013, 08:42 (Ref:3309105)   #286
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Alfa Romeo please!! The only model that'd fit is the Giulietta.
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So wait, hang on, is the Merc A class FWD...?!
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 09:41 (Ref:3309130)   #288
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So wait, hang on, is the Merc A class FWD...?!
Surely your being sarcastic there..
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 09:45 (Ref:3309134)   #289
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Waiting for the first complaint about it being a hatchback.

Very nice. Hopefully that's another competitive used NGTC car on the market too. I don't think they'll be ripping the Avensis to pieces for the Mercedes. Just Alan Gow with his propaganda as usual.
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Basically the shell of the car is all that comes from the production model now. They cut it off at the front bulkhead/firewall and attach a standard NGTC front subframe and rear subframe. So the engine, gearbox, front and rear suspension, electronics and wheels will all be the same as the Avensis only difference is the shell and bodywork.
That's disappointing to know. Thanks for the explanation nonetheless!
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 10:43 (Ref:3309147)   #291
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Waiting for the first complaint about it being a hatchback.

Very nice. Hopefully that's another competitive used NGTC car on the market too. I don't think they'll be ripping the Avensis to pieces for the Mercedes. Just Alan Gow with his propaganda as usual.

Yep.

Whilst it's a spec subframe, AFAIK each car has different mounting points to the actual bodyshell..

And how you can take knowledge of setup's from a four door Toyota to a five door Mercedes is another question, both cars will have different weights, centre of gravities etc..
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 10:46 (Ref:3309149)   #292
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Hey don't doubt the TOCA propaganda.
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 10:52 (Ref:3309151)   #293
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Waiting for the first complaint about it being a hatchback.

Very nice. Hopefully that's another competitive used NGTC car on the market too. I don't think they'll be ripping the Avensis to pieces for the Mercedes. Just Alan Gow with his propaganda as usual.
Agreed - I am sure they will be wanting to sell the Avensis as a complete car!

Some of the spares may transfer over though.
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 10:53 (Ref:3309152)   #294
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Whilst it's a spec subframe, AFAIK each car has different mounting points to the actual bodyshell..
Nope. The subframes mount to the TOCA designed spec rollcage. As mentioned The only real affect a shell makes to the car is a bit of Aero and differences in wheelbase/centre of gravity weight distribution..
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Some more here - http://www.driving.co.uk/clarkson/me...amg-2013/13286

Albeit without the photo-shopped livery
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 12:36 (Ref:3309192)   #296
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It definitely seems like the ideal car that Merc would choose to run in a series like the BTCC - pushing the sporty credentials of a borderline model.

I do hope they sell the Avensis, definitely some good drivers out there in need of an NGTC car to keep running next year, particularly one with podium potential.
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Old 25 Sep 2013, 13:31 (Ref:3309211)   #297
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It definitely seems like the ideal car that Merc would choose to run in a series like the BTCC - pushing the sporty credentials of a borderline model.

I do hope they sell the Avensis, definitely some good drivers out there in need of an NGTC car to keep running next year, particularly one with podium potential.
The Avensis will be sold at the end of the season. See the last paragraph of this here.
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It definitely seems like the ideal car that Merc would choose to run in a series like the BTCC - pushing the sporty credentials of a borderline model.

I do hope they sell the Avensis, definitely some good drivers out there in need of an NGTC car to keep running next year, particularly one with podium potential.
Lea Wood says he would like to run an NGTC car, maybe this could be an affordable option?
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Lea Wood says he would like to run an NGTC car, maybe this could be an affordable option?
Given that it costs north of £250K to build an NGTC car, I wonder what they go for second hand... maybe John Thorne could give us 'an estimate' based on his experience.
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You can have a copy of the invoice if you like

We sold the first car for £200k including the engine. At the time you could own an engine but now its daft to do that so most lease (cheaper).
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