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Old 16 Nov 2016, 19:18 (Ref:3688628)   #276
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Vettel must be getting very frustrated. Ferrari is not panning out at all as he might have hoped.
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Old 16 Nov 2016, 19:21 (Ref:3688630)   #277
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I am well aware that Max was in a Torro Rosso in the first few races, so no I didn't miss that.

It's just amazing that Max - if he is as wonderful as most proclaim, and Vettel as useless as most of these same people think - is *still* behind Vettel, even with all those extraordinary drives.

He just scored 15 points more than Vettel since he joined Red Bull, which is not a lot, IMO.

you seem to be forgetting the "swapping teams in the middle of the season" factor, such as the fact that Max had no chance to test the car before he started at Red Bull.
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Old 17 Nov 2016, 17:29 (Ref:3688889)   #278
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Vettel has also fast become the WOTR most weekends..... (Whinger).
Thanks for the clarification. I had something else in there for W.
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Old 17 Nov 2016, 19:12 (Ref:3688910)   #279
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This thread continues to be a version of "My dad is bigger than your dad", tiresomely.
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Old 17 Nov 2016, 20:10 (Ref:3688923)   #280
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you seem to be forgetting the "swapping teams in the middle of the season" factor, such as the fact that Max had no chance to test the car before he started at Red Bull.
Whereas you seem to forget that RBR is the faster car ...

in any case, Vettel is in a downwards spiral, and seriously needs to regroup and turn his game around for the next season (which he was able to do in the past, nobody has his record by accident...also lets not forget, that unlike Max, Vettel did not wait for his RBR promotion to deliver his first win, he pulled it with STR)
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This thread continues to be a version of "My dad is bigger than your dad", tiresomely.
When was Ricciardo's dad brought into this?
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Old 18 Nov 2016, 19:39 (Ref:3689131)   #282
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When was Ricciardo's dad brought into this?
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 19:14 (Ref:3691512)   #283
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Max is a kid who made Vettel look like a granny in Brazil.... .
Given that Max had newer tyres in Brazil, he did, Seb, on newer tyres today, repaid the favour.
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But we're not comparing apples with apples. They were horrendous conditions in Brazil and the Ferrari's were clearly the better car today, particularly after Seb's later stop.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 19:43 (Ref:3691519)   #285
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and the Ferrari's were clearly the better car today, particularly after Seb's later stop.
I'm not sure they were, Red Bull out stratergised Ferrari once again, by all accounts it was Seb's suggestion to then go long (prob the only option left to be honest) and they lucked in imo (not taking anything away from Vettels drive towards the end mind you). But to say that the Ferrari was better today ? No way.
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It seemed to me that it was accepted that they were faster (in a straight line at least), but I may have that wrong. Certainly a good strategic move though, for sure.
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It seemed to me that it was accepted that they were faster (in a straight line at least), but I may have that wrong. Certainly a good strategic move though, for sure.
Well, the Red Bulls have never been the fastest in a straight line, yet usually never suffered over the lap, given their history since 2009 !
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Ferrari power > Renault power
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