Full Grids and Entry Fees

Alan Cherry · 13 Jan 2006, 17:12 (Ref:1500600)

Does anyone know the % price hike levied by the circuits for 2006 ?
In wednesdays Motorsport News,(page 7) it seems that the maximum number of starters has increased at most uk tracks. Assuming that we get full
grids, the organising clubs should get a greater income from the entry
fees ( hopefully fuller grids mean more interest to spectators and
Marshals etc )

If the figures in MN ( and my maths ) is correct, we should get the
following :-

Circuit Existing Proposed % Increase in
No of Starters No of Starters Starters and entry fees
to Club

Brands (Indy) 30 32 6.6%

Brands GP 38 42 10.5%

Castle Combe 38 42 10.5%

Lydden 21 24 14%

Snetterton 32 38 18.75%

Of course , it depends on the competitors turning out to fill up the
grids, but there is a chance here for the organising clubs to make more
money, the circuits to make more money, and the competitors not to have
a price hike on entry fees ! Is it too late for this year ? have the
new entry fees already been set ? what does anybody else think ?

Alan Cherry · 13 Jan 2006, 17:16 (Ref:1500603)

Apologies -didn't come out as the table that I caut and pasted, but you get the idea!

Steve Wilkinson · 13 Jan 2006, 18:28 (Ref:1500652)

Alan, you say in your post 'proposed'. Does that mean that the MSA have been approached by these circuits to increase the number of starters or is the increase actually coming from the MSA?

Alan Cherry · 13 Jan 2006, 18:43 (Ref:1500660)

The way I read it, it's a done deal
Full list of increased grid sizes (saloons and sports, not single seaters) includes circuits above plus Anglesey,Cadwell,Croft,Donnington,Kirkistown,Knockhill,Mallory,Oulton,Pembrey,Rockingham,and Thruxton.

Ian Sowman · 13 Jan 2006, 18:50 (Ref:1500665)

Yes, the changes have gone through.

danieljboys · 13 Jan 2006, 19:25 (Ref:1500699)

I haven't raced over here for four years now so I was just wondering what the typical entry fee to a BARC or BRSCC race meeting is nowadays? Say for something like, for example, a Southern Formula Ford event?

Al Weyman · 13 Jan 2006, 20:14 (Ref:1500724)

£140 Plus, too much, much too much.

R59 · 13 Jan 2006, 20:21 (Ref:1500729)

Keep going Al!!

£180-200 for normal BRSCC / BARC championships.

Luckily the TRC series offers much lower entries, thanks to it's popularity.

Castle Combe now offer a rebate based on grid sizes!!

Rob

danieljboys · 13 Jan 2006, 20:50 (Ref:1500766)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racing59

Keep going Al!!
£180-200 for normal BRSCC / BARC championships.
Rob

Wow! I remember paying something around £120 for Formula Ford at Brands and even at that time I thought it was some serious wedge to part with before you've even gone through the circuit gates!!

Tim Wilkinson · 13 Jan 2006, 21:05 (Ref:1500780)

Quote:

Originally Posted by racing59

Keep going Al!!

£180-200 for normal BRSCC / BARC championships.

Luckily the TRC series offers much lower entries, thanks to it's popularity.

Castle Combe now offer a rebate based on grid sizes!!

Rob

I doubt it would make a difference to those in charge, but I decided which series / championships i might be interested in racing in based mostly on how much entry fees were. So the TRC and CTCRC were obvious choices, Eurosalooons etc less so (even tho that has big entires the fees are too big). It makes a difference to new racers, especially those on a budget. As a hobby, this racing lark is one of the worst!

Al Weyman · 14 Jan 2006, 08:52 (Ref:1501035)

Yeah £180 and if you don't entertain yer out or at least the championship you race in is. What other sport can you name that is like this, don't get me thinking I have only just talked myself into it again at the end of last season after an 8 year layoff partly because of the above reasons (i.e. to expensive to enter).

Minicross424 · 14 Jan 2006, 09:08 (Ref:1501042)

Quote:

Originally Posted by danieljboys

I haven't raced over here for four years now so I was just wondering what the typical entry fee to a BARC or BRSCC race meeting is nowadays? Say for something like, for example, a Southern Formula Ford event?

Is this the same Daniel Boys i have just finished reading about in Short Circuit?
If so best of luck with this year, whats your plans?

graham bahr · 14 Jan 2006, 09:09 (Ref:1501043)

to be honest i cant see circuit hire going up for those few grid positions, after all most grids are not full anyway.

it will certainly help clubs trying to run along the lines of BARC SE ie cheap cheap entries to try and achive full grids

Al Weyman · 14 Jan 2006, 09:25 (Ref:1501051)

At last years WHT meeting I think it would have made a difference, also I remember ridicously being thrown off the back of the grid at Cadwell after letting me do the warm up lap as we had reserves and I did not do 3 practice laps.

danieljboys · 14 Jan 2006, 10:47 (Ref:1501079)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minicross424

Is this the same Daniel Boys i have just finished reading about in Short Circuit?
If so best of luck with this year, whats your plans?

Yes, mate, that is indeed me. I only placed an order for the mag yesterday so I haven't seen the article yet, is it any good? Did they print my website address? If they did I'd appear hurry up this weekend and finish it

Many thanks for the best wishes. My plan for this year is to get back to Seattle primarily and then try and raise a budget for SCSA at the Rock. There is definitely unfinished business in the NASCAR Weekly Series at Evergreen Speedway and I know that with more track time I can get to the front. It is one of the hardest NASCAR track championships to crack in the country due to it's location and my experiences from racing there will be good preparation for anything I might do in the future, either over there or up at Rockingham!

Dan

danieljboys · 14 Jan 2006, 10:54 (Ref:1501081)

Briefly going back to the topic in question, I paid $100 entry money for the car, me and two crew members to enter each race. And I get $100 start money back, just as long as I take the green flag.

I don't quite know how that works but technically it doesn't cost me anything to enter as long as I start the race! Having said that, Evergreen Speedway gets around 5000 through the gate on a typical Saturday night and around 8000+ if there is double bill of Super Stocks (me) with a touring series of some kind, so the gate charges must contribute quite a bit to the costs of running a meeting. Something that doesn't much with club racing over here, unfortunately.

Minicross424 · 14 Jan 2006, 12:44 (Ref:1501129)

Dan
You got a double page feature with two good shots of the car.
Sound like your deal came together late but you made the best of it.
It annoys me that mags Such as Autosport dont give you this type of exposure as im sure it would help with sponsorship.
I read in Autosport this week that Torquespeed has no drivers for this year yet so it would be great if you can get your foot in the door there.
I love NASCAR and if you ever made it to Daytona me and my mates will come and cheer you on.
Whats your web address? its not in short circuit.
Mine is www.Bardenracing.20m.com

danieljboys · 16 Jan 2006, 00:43 (Ref:1502024)

If the administrators don't mind me posting a URL here, it's www.danielboys.co.uk.

Its only about 50% completed but there are plenty of images up in the image gallery, some desktop wallpaper and onboard video. The archive of press releases is also complete now. I've designed this on my own so any feedback or ideas on how to improve it from ten-tenthers would be appreciated!

Dan

Mike Holmes · 16 Jan 2006, 07:27 (Ref:1502121)

It's all getting too expensive! entry fee's will go up this year you can be sure of that. I have had enough, after 20 years racing I am giving up. I just cannot justify the expense of it all anymore to my family, so if anyone wants a very pretty race winning MG Midget just give me a call.

Al Weyman · 16 Jan 2006, 08:04 (Ref:1502133)

I agree and although have returned for racing will not do a full championship and probably limit myself to a maximum of 6 races for the year so at the end of the day they can keep putting them up as far as I am concerned I will pay no more just do less, is that what they want? I personally think and from conversations I had years ago on the subject with some top people that in fact that is exactly what they want.

**Tim Falce** · 16 Jan 2006, 08:26 (Ref:1502144)

Al, you're correct. This seems to be the law of modern economics and accountancy, increase prices, have zero growth but at the same time keep the work load and overheads down.
I have seen a few companies go to the wall by taking this attitude, (always seem to be the ones I work for as well

) I don't expect club motor racing will be any different.

Al Weyman · 16 Jan 2006, 15:42 (Ref:1502438)

And there in three short posts is really what is wrong with British Club Motorsport and the way to correct it if the will was there.

Minicross424 · 16 Jan 2006, 18:32 (Ref:1502566)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Holmes

It's all getting too expensive! entry fee's will go up this year you can be sure of that. I have had enough, after 20 years racing I am giving up. I just cannot justify the expense of it all anymore to my family, so if anyone wants a very pretty race winning MG Midget just give me a call.

Mike have you considered semsec?
£145 entry fees and a good meeting normally.

graham bahr · 16 Jan 2006, 18:50 (Ref:1502579)

BARC SE saloon and sports will also give you cheap entry fees

**Tim Falce** · 16 Jan 2006, 19:26 (Ref:1502595)

Quote:

Originally Posted by graham bahr

BARC SE saloon and sports will also give you cheap entry fees

And shorter races.

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