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Old 19 Jun 2017, 12:18 (Ref:3745188)   #91
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Which professionals are they? POTUS?

Robin Miller, Marshall Pruett

I am not sure who is ignoring that? What I heard was fix the aero, test the tires more and race next June.

The tires were tested and blistered like mad still

So the race should have been cancelled?



Was 2016 a crap race?

For example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv8KNya9aeA

2016 was an exception, most have been wreckfests or snoozes

Wasn't this in 2001? Different cars and different formula's? Not sure of the relevance to what we saw a couple of weeks ago?



So to clarify you are saying that PIR has better attendance than Texas?

Texas has had some of the strongest crowds in Indycar outside of the 500 for many many years. A lot lot more than PIR
PIR has because of TERRIBLE promotion and new access had drop-offs from what used to be one of the best attended events outside of Indy. Texas on the other hand draws close to what Iowa does, not exactly packing the house when the track is huge 181k vs 30k. When your attendance rivals a track 1/3 the length and 1/6th the capacity I wouldn't call that a strong crowd, yes it was up from previous years but not exactly a packed house like Indy. Which FYI was estimated to be down 20k by a few and the viewer numbers were as well
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 12:32 (Ref:3745196)   #92
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Do you have the attendance figures to back that up?
Interesting request - especially considering previous discussion regarding providing evidence.

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If the IndyCar paddock could send a message to the few thousand souls who showed up at Phoenix International Raceway, it would be brief and heartfelt:

We’re sorry.

“They should refund everyone’s money,” one prominent driver said afterward.

There were fewer people in attendance this year, and the ones who came were put off by 22 laps of caution (why not throw the red flag?) following a first-lap, five-car pileup and then by the drudgery of watching cars run in place.
http://www.foxsports.com/motor/story...debacle-050117
2016 crowd was estimated at 18,500
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...018/308052001/
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Interesting request - especially considering previous discussion regarding providing evidence.



2016 crowd was estimated at 18,500
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...018/308052001/
So if Texas, as estimated by Miller and co at Racer was around Iowa not much higher, not exactly the high demand event you desperately want it to be
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PIR has because of TERRIBLE promotion and new access had drop-offs from what used to be one of the best attended events outside of Indy. Texas on the other hand draws close to what Iowa does, not exactly packing the house when the track is huge 181k vs 30k.
Hang on - your post outlined that "Texas never had the attendance of PIR" - why the backtracking?

Clearly it did in 2016 and 2017. Apples with apples.

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yes it was up from previous years but not exactly a packed house like Indy.
Who is comparing any Indycar event crowd to Indy?

In regards to the tire testing - Firestone had one test only. Common consensus is have more testing and develop a new compound and get back racing.

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2016 was an exception, most have been wreckfests or snoozes
Out of interest - which one of these races were wreckfests or snoozes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI-5xyK9oeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxaHICyFuVY
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Hang on - your post outlined that "Texas never had the attendance of PIR" - why the backtracking?

Clearly it did in 2016 and 2017. Apples with apples.



Who is comparing any Indycar event crowd to Indy?

In regards to the tire testing - Firestone had one test only. Common consensus is have more testing and develop a new compound and get back racing.

Out of interest - which one of these races were wreckfests or snoozes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI-5xyK9oeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxaHICyFuVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-rTGLG9yu0

That's capacity NOT attendance, there's no backtracking. Texas has never had 181k at the track for openwheel. And PIR used to be packed at 50k. far cry from 20k at a 180k track.
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I am talking about 2016 and 2017.

No good bringing up what PIR 'used to have' - it was a different time, different formula and different drivers. Apples with apples mate.

Texas has and currently does have a lot more in the stands than PIR - despite your previous posts.
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I love oval racing and OW cars on ovals. I just don't like OW cars at Texas. I understand that even though I don't like this track/race, some do. That's fine with me.

Looking at posts on this forum from previous 4 races (because this forum is the epitome of correct opinions), most opinions (outside my own) of Texas seem to be either "crazy scary" or "meh".

Here are some “excuses” for questionable driving standards which leads to a few more questions for the current management of the series.
http://sports.usatoday.com/2017/06/1...-half-of-2017/

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Four races in 14 days – the Indy 500, the Detroit Grand Prix doubleheader and the oval race at Texas Motor Speedway – put a strain on everyone.
RE: attendance I doubt we'll ever see any from Texas (and I've been looking), I’d expect them to be similar to PIR, Pocono, to lightly higher.

However, according to Miller/Pruett podcast, NBC Ratings were up this year from last year's Texas race, fwiw. That could be due to many factors including the postponement of last year's event to the sheer bat$hit craziness of this years, or the general uptick in series popularity.

Here's what they looked like at Barber and Road America last year and Detroit this year. Granted, it's a little out of context here, but attendance numbers are tough to find. It does leave me wondering what is going with the speedway attendances, outside of Indy. This is perhaps best left to the “state of IndyCar” thread….

Detroit: 100K over the weekend (combined with IMSA) – (30K for Sunday and Race 2) http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/201...gure-of-83765/

Barber: 86K over the weekend (30K for Race day)
http://www.dbusiness.com/daily-news/...ation-Records/

Road America is around 50K for race day
http://www.indycar.com/News/2016/06/...r-Road-America
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Interesting request - especially considering previous discussion regarding providing evidence.

2016 crowd was estimated at 18,500
http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...018/308052001/
Not at all. You said at the end of your post #89: "Texas has had some of the strongest crowds in Indycar outside of the 500 for many many years. A lot lot more than PIR.", so I merely asked if you had the attendance figures.

I was hoping for this year's attendance figures for PIR and TMS.
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Not at all. You said at the end of your post #89: "Texas has had some of the strongest crowds in Indycar outside of the 500 for many many years. A lot lot more than PIR.", so I merely asked if you had the attendance figures.

I was hoping for this year's attendance figures for PIR and TMS.
That's this year's PIR attendance, noted in the article as being similar to 2016. I know because that's the one I posted in the PIR race thread, and likely the only place it is found in writing.

It's frustrating to this convo because very few speedways release figures, if I'm correct. Looking for Iowa's last year, it's stated here they don't release figures, but it's becoming a "crown jewel".

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sp...eries-20150719

Again, I think I'm delving into state of IndyCar with attempts to find numbers for comparisons...
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That's this year's PIR attendance, noted in the article as being similar to 2016. I know because that's the one I posted in the PIR race thread, and likely the only place it is found in writing.

It's frustrating to this convo because very few speedways release figures, if I'm correct. Looking for Iowa's last year, it's stated here they don't release figures, but it's becoming a "crown jewel".

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/sp...eries-20150719

Again, I think I'm delving into state of IndyCar with attempts to find numbers for comparisons...
As I said, I was hoping for this year's attendance figures for PIR and TMS. Then a comparison can be made.
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As I said, I was hoping for this year's attendance figures for PIR and TMS. Then a comparison can be made.
We have them for PIR and I'd prefer to wildly speculate based on half the info available.

Edit: TMS released the TV figures for the Dallas area
http://www.texasmotorspeedway.com/ne...p-for-tms-race
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We have them for PIR and I'd prefer to wildly speculate based on half the info available.

Edit: TMS released the TV figures for the Dallas area
http://www.texasmotorspeedway.com/ne...p-for-tms-race
I know you have them for PIR but if attendance figures aren't available for TMS, then attempting to compare TMS with PIR is meaningless. So be it.
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I know you have them for PIR but if attendance figures aren't available for TMS, then attempting to compare TMS with PIR is meaningless. So be it.
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