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Old 19 Jun 2017, 18:35 (Ref:3745301)   #2506
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There wasn't anything brilliant about it. There's a very clear rule in the book stating it's illegal and they broke it, what's brilliant about that?
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 18:37 (Ref:3745303)   #2507
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There wasn't anything brilliant about it. There's a very clear rule in the book stating it's illegal and they broke it, what's brilliant about that?
So next time there is a starter issue, just withdraw from the race, right?
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 18:43 (Ref:3745308)   #2508
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So next time there is a starter issue, just withdraw from the race, right?
Change the starter.

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Old 19 Jun 2017, 18:48 (Ref:3745310)   #2510
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Nothing stopping them from removing the engine cover each stop. No rules broken.
Yes, yes there are rules preventing that which I watched them struggle with and listed above. They had to do this "procedure" twice during a stop as the starter froze again.


Evidently, there's no room in racing for racing anymore.
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There wasn't anything brilliant about it. There's a very clear rule in the book stating it's illegal and they broke it, what's brilliant about that?


Application of the the rule is stupid considering the circumstances. Rebellion was brilliant for he call and were rewarded with 3rd place only to have it taken away.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 18:49 (Ref:3745312)   #2512
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The rule is intended to stop being making their own bodywork for a performance advantage, not trying to stop people solve reliability issues.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 18:51 (Ref:3745314)   #2513
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Sorry. Regulations are very clear and in black and white for all to see before the event.

They weren't awarded 3rd for their "brilliance", they did however take podium celebrations of a team in 4th (now 3rd) who broke no rules and didn't get to celebrate their deserved podium which is a shame.

Their option was to change the starter. They may not have finished on the podium but it's a lot better than a dsq.

You can't make exceptions because it's the spirit of the sport within regs, tjey fall down if you begin doing that. For the sport to work it needs to be to the letter otherwise loopholes appear, teams try to get clever and it becomes a mess.

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Sorry. Regulations are very clear and in black and white for all to see before the event.

They weren't awarded 3rd for their "brilliance", they did however take podium celebrations of a team in 4th (now 3rd) who broke no rules and didn't get to celebrate their deserved podium which is a shame.

Their option was to change the starter. They may not have finished on the podium but it's a lot better than a dsq.
That's a bit over dramatic isn't it? Makes it sound like they all got together to form an evil plot to overthrow the white Knights of the Jackie Chan DC Racing team and stop them from having a celebration.

Or maybe it's a racing team that overlooked a rule and got punished. We see it continually in a lot of series. Happens in Blancpain to professional teams every week. Given the intention of the rule, it's easy to see how this mistake was made. Its the same as Toyota last year stopping after the finish line and doing a slow lap and getting nothing. If they'd stopped before the line they'd have been fine. Hard to remember every single rule during a race, especially when they're for a different intention.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 19:04 (Ref:3745316)   #2515
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That's a bit over dramatic isn't it? Makes it sound like they all got together to form an evil plot to overthrow the white Knights of the Jackie Chan DC Racing team and stop them from having a celebration.

Or maybe it's a racing team that overlooked a rule and got punished. We see it continually in a lot of series. Happens in Blancpain to professional teams every week. Given the intention of the rule, it's easy to see how this mistake was made. Its the same as Toyota last year stopping after the finish line and doing a slow lap and getting nothing. If they'd stopped before the line they'd have been fine. Hard to remember every single rule during a race, especially when they're for a different intention.
It's not easy, no, but racing at the top rarely is. It sucks for them but the decision is the correct one.
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Yeah I agree, never said it wasn't. It did break a rule. But I don't think it's anywhere near as black and white as what was made out since that's clearly not what the rule was intended to do. We all know why homologation exists and this generally isn't why. Only a couple of years ago that solution would be brilliant, and it was relatively common place as well.

They clearly broke the rule by accident and it is a disqualification but I don't see it as some horrible crime, or screwing JC DC, who did get both sets of drivers on the podium anyway.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 19:11 (Ref:3745322)   #2517
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Yeah I agree, never said it wasn't. It did break a rule. But I don't think it's anywhere near as black and white as what was made out since that's clearly not what the rule was intended to do. We all know why homologation exists and this generally isn't why. Only a couple of years ago that solution would be brilliant, and it was relatively common place as well.

They clearly broke the rule by accident and it is a disqualification but I don't see it as some horrible crime, or screwing JC DC, who did get both sets of drivers on the podium anyway.

According to Racer.com they tried to cover up the hole in Parc Fermé.

To my book i have no sympathy for them after reading that.

They broke rules and they tried to go under the radar.
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Old 19 Jun 2017, 19:13 (Ref:3745323)   #2518
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Yeah I agree, never said it wasn't. It did break a rule. But I don't think it's anywhere near as black and white as what was made out since that's clearly not what the rule was intended to do. We all know why homologation exists and this generally isn't why. Only a couple of years ago that solution would be brilliant, and it was relatively common place as well.

They clearly broke the rule by accident and it is a disqualification but I don't see it as some horrible crime, or screwing JC DC, who did get both sets of drivers on the podium anyway.
There's no subjectivity with how it's written. Besides, it did give them a performance advantage by allowing them quicker pit stops.
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It's not easy, no, but racing at the top rarely is. It sucks for them but the decision is the correct one.
That's a final straw for me if I was Rebellion, if a French team had done it they wouldn't have batted an eye. They have ignored all kinds of in race modifications in the past and did not like the fact that Rebellion showed everyone how asinine the rules over the bodywork were. If that's a penalty worthy of DQ, I'd leave for IMSA before the next race and tell the ACO to pound sand. They let cars run without cheese wedges, lights, leader lights (when they were required) and without a MIRROR, but no a hole in the bodywork is a no-no. That's spitting in the face of a team that has invested millions in to the sport building cars and running when no one else wanted to play. And if Oreca doesn't fix that moronic take the wing off to take off the engine cover, some one else will and demonstrate repairability and responsive design to on track needs. And yes, they could with the one joker allowed which as I read did not need unanimous vote, the Ligier request was to not use their joker but instead get a change to allowed bodywork.
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Yes technically wrong. We all see that. Straight away. The posts all written with that knowledge.

Still a shame though. I speak as someone has needed bodges to keep a car going to its destination or in a race. These little things build to make the sport more than a set of rules, they build the romance. However maybe time for that in our sport is gone.

It was outside the rules. Disqualify it. Simples.
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