|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
29 Jun 2012, 20:57 (Ref:3099997) | #2301 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,229
|
|||
|
29 Jun 2012, 21:25 (Ref:3100012) | #2302 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,209
|
Quote:
http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....postcount=2280 |
||
|
29 Jun 2012, 21:39 (Ref:3100018) | #2303 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,392
|
That's not confirmation to me. That's math based off some comments that may have been wrong. There's a lot more to it we'll see soon.
|
|
|
29 Jun 2012, 22:05 (Ref:3100026) | #2304 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,209
|
At least we can see the math behind those numbers.
|
|
|
30 Jun 2012, 02:46 (Ref:3100079) | #2305 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 626
|
Quote:
Fun fact: Googling this kind of stuff I discovered that the Mazda LeMans rotary consumes 44% more fuel per hp at its most effficient point than modern diesels do at thier most efficient point. Last edited by chewymonster; 30 Jun 2012 at 03:07. |
||
|
30 Jun 2012, 10:26 (Ref:3100144) | #2306 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,392
|
So basically he was saying let the diesels try to achieve something out of reach since you want the petrols to achieve something out of reach. Sounds logical even if the numbers are fudged.
|
|
|
30 Jun 2012, 20:31 (Ref:3100278) | #2307 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 626
|
Quote:
Technically there is no set limit of efficiency required to race, you just come up with an engine that gives you the most power with the amount of fuel given. Certainly you are not going to be competitive with an inefficient engine and you will be down on power. But gasoline engines get more fuel than diesels to play with. Perhaps Toyota wants so much extra fuel so that their current V8 fits the new rules? Anyways let's rather talk about how much hp the 2014 engines will be making? I am going to guess 475-500 for the engine not counting the hybrid system. |
||
|
1 Jul 2012, 15:54 (Ref:3100533) | #2308 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,203
|
....
Last edited by Pandamasque; 1 Jul 2012 at 15:58. Reason: delete |
||
|
1 Jul 2012, 16:06 (Ref:3100539) | #2309 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,460
|
Quote:
|
||
|
1 Jul 2012, 17:23 (Ref:3100568) | #2310 | |
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 152
|
yes indeed, but add in the 2014 weight reduction + more aero development and the cars will be doing roughly the same lap times, so no need to worry.
|
|
|
1 Jul 2012, 17:45 (Ref:3100581) | #2311 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,460
|
trust in 2014 the cars maybe will run with similiar actual laptimes but forget to see again a 3.19 in next future.
|
|
|
1 Jul 2012, 20:53 (Ref:3100630) | #2312 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,812
|
Quote:
Thursday qualifying at Le Mans saw Toyota in the 3:24's too. |
|||
|
1 Jul 2012, 21:47 (Ref:3100652) | #2313 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 4,755
|
The Toyota ran a 3:24 in cold conditions on tires built for a Peugeot. If people dont think that car is as quick as the Audi they have another thing coming haha.
|
|
|
1 Jul 2012, 22:39 (Ref:3100672) | #2314 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,392
|
The Rebellion Toyota's without hybrid power came to 3:29's during the race. TS030 Toyota's without hybrid power as said by their team would be 2-3 seconds faster (their words not mine). So 3:26's maybe? Audi Ultra's did 3:24's and 3:23's. That's the real gap you have to see, but we probably won't because factory Toyota's without hybrid won't happen.
|
|
|
1 Jul 2012, 22:45 (Ref:3100676) | #2315 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 1,460
|
Quote:
BTW in my opinion is useless to compare the lola rebellion with toyota! the RV8K share the same basic structure of the TS030 engine but the differences are too much. |
||
|
1 Jul 2012, 22:48 (Ref:3100678) | #2316 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,392
|
You misread. They said without hybrid power they'd be 2-3 seconds faster than the Rebellion Toyota. Not 2-3 seconds faster than the TS030.
|
|
|
2 Jul 2012, 02:26 (Ref:3100733) | #2317 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 6,209
|
||
|
26 Jul 2012, 17:28 (Ref:3111726) | #2318 | ||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 15,671
|
Looks like the 2014 regs are close to be finalized.
http://app.racer.com/mobile/pages/ap...ticleid=251958 |
||
|
27 Jul 2012, 08:43 (Ref:3111971) | #2319 | |
Racer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 137
|
"He also confirmed that the 2013 WEC calendar will be announced by the end of September, and "will include some exciting new venues."
Oh great, more pointless desert races then, and Moscow. |
|
|
27 Jul 2012, 08:47 (Ref:3111973) | #2320 | ||
Rookie
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 61
|
i hope that ACO will be wise enough to don't schueld an indian race in november/december, risking to have a 10-15 entry list if season's titles have been already won. Ratel style.
|
||
|
29 Jul 2012, 20:14 (Ref:3113400) | #2321 | |
Racer
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 152
|
I'm not really a big fan of performance balancing.. I want to see the car that can make the best use of it resources win... so here's another take on the petrol vs. diesel fuel allocation debate... if the fuel allocation were based on the total life cycle Carbon footprint of each type of fuel (I.e. inclusive of the production emissions), and the Diesels have the same 3.99 litres/lap that is currently proposed, then the petrol engines should be allocated 4.80 litres/lap to ensure the same carbon footprint for each type of car... not too far away from what the ACO are currently proposing...
Fuel Life cycle analysis data from: "Carbon and energy balances for a range of biofuels options" Elsayed, MA, Matthews, R, Mortimer, ND. Study for DTI URN 03/836 (petrol = 2600g CO2/litre , diesel = 3128g CO2/litre). |
|
|
30 Jul 2012, 09:56 (Ref:3113623) | #2322 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3,873
|
Where will the 2014 regs leave Judd in LMP1?
|
||
|
30 Jul 2012, 10:11 (Ref:3113631) | #2323 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 6,269
|
|||
__________________
When in doubt? C4. |
30 Jul 2012, 10:13 (Ref:3113632) | #2324 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 13,763
|
Thats up to Judd I feel , thay havent exactly set the track alight this year have they .
Quote from another thread : Minoru Hayashi comments about WEC on his twitter. Q. Minoru-san, does Dome S102.5 participate in the WEC Fuji round ? A. Probably we do not participate. Since Judd engine is powerless, participating is meaningless. Last edited by The Badger; 30 Jul 2012 at 10:20. |
||
|
30 Jul 2012, 10:16 (Ref:3113633) | #2325 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 7,325
|
Quote:
I don't know, maybe we have been focusing too much on the dire chassis situation in P1 lately and ignored how bad things look for privateers engine-wise. |
|||
__________________
Ceterum censeo GTE-Am esse delendam. |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
[WEC] Glickenhaus Hypercar | Akrapovic | ACO Regulated Series | 1603 | 12 Apr 2024 21:24 |
[WEC] Aston Martin Hypercar Discussion | deggis | ACO Regulated Series | 175 | 23 Feb 2020 03:37 |
[WEC] SCG 007: Glickenhaus Le Mans LMP1 Hypercar | Bentley03 | ACO Regulated Series | 26 | 16 Nov 2018 02:35 |
ALMS Extends LMP Regulations | tblincoe | North American Racing | 33 | 26 Aug 2005 15:03 |
[LM24] Whats the future of LMP's at Le Mans?? | Garrett | 24 Heures du Mans | 59 | 8 Jul 2004 15:15 |