2014 BTCC Oulton Park (Rds 10-12) - Page 4

far · 9 Jun 2014, 19:13 (Ref:3417755)

Was the 2nd Super Touring race not supposed to be online at 8pm today on itv.com - can't find it?

maximus · 9 Jun 2014, 19:13 (Ref:3417754)

I fair to see much moaning there, he does have a point. But why don't all of the teams develop RWD if it's supposedly such a huge advantage then?

cos · 10 Jun 2014, 07:53 (Ref:3417999)

Apparently not... on their Facebook page they've said

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Hi guys and girls. We have contacted ITV as this is something we have absolutely no control over. Rather than trying this process again we have insisted that the entire race should be uploaded online for people to watch in their own time. I can only apologise but as I say we're not in control of itv.com. We will post a link to the video as soon as we have it.

BTCC Media Team

MrAero · 10 Jun 2014, 08:23 (Ref:3418007)

Post-Oulton Park Championship:

Big gain by Turk, treading water by Shedden and Plato. Big falls by Jordan and Neal.

steve_r · 10 Jun 2014, 08:33 (Ref:3418011)

Last year I seem to recall that MG had a similiar meeting at oulton to BMW this year. Did the MG's get extra ballast as a result of that meeting?

psq43 · 10 Jun 2014, 08:36 (Ref:3418014)

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Originally Posted by steve_r

Last year I seem to recall that MG had a similiar meeting at oulton to BMW this year. Did the MG's get extra ballast as a result of that meeting?

Last year does not count towards this year

Apart from that, nobody gets extra ballast in the btcc.

West Surrey have just done more homework over the winter that's all.

cos · 10 Jun 2014, 09:55 (Ref:3418043)

2nd Super Touring race now on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa-x...ature=youtu.be

steve_r · 10 Jun 2014, 11:11 (Ref:3418075)

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Originally Posted by psq43

Last year does not count towards this year

Apart from that, nobody gets extra ballast in the btcc.

West Surrey have just done more homework over the winter that's all.

I know - but precedents will have been set.

RED55 · 10 Jun 2014, 12:12 (Ref:3418099)

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Originally Posted by maximus

I fair to see much moaning there, he does have a point. But why don't all of the teams develop RWD if it's supposedly such a huge advantage then?

It happens everytime in every touring car championship running FWD or RWD , the teams with fwd have had all the cards until now in BTCC, and if the rwd technical regs hadnt changed in 2012 to better the rwd configuration we would have 3 less NGTC cars on the grid, no WSR and no Colin Turkington, The Audis of Rob Austin would be struggling and the FWD would be winning. There are no fair answers, why build a fast car to have it slowed down , the best TOCA can do is reduce the min weight of FWD but they cant because the cars are already heavy and teams would struggle to get the weight out, adding more weight to the Beemers can help to balance the car even more , and a longer first gear is simply unfair.

This championship is in good health and its because allowances have been made to get it there, so many cars fall short of the min length we would only have half a grid. So it needs to be left in tact otherwise what is the draw if you cant build the best car .

Bramzel · 10 Jun 2014, 12:44 (Ref:3418117)

Its easy to tell the RWD teams have an unfair advantage, just look at all the championships they won the last couple of years! Oh wait, they didn't...

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 10 Jun 2014, 13:20 (Ref:3418131)

2014:

Post-Oulton Park:

RWD poles: 1
RWD wins: 4
FWD poles: 3
FWD wins: 8

Pre-Oulton Park:

RWD Poles: 0
RWD Wins: 2 (both from reversed grids)
FWD Poles: 3
FWD Wins: 7

It's obvious Plato is being reactionary. Yes, the RWD cars had a great weekend at Oulton but that's just one circuit. They didn't take a win at Donington Park, and as you can see, Oulton Park was the first time since Rob Austin won Rockingham race 2 last year that they a RWD car has won without the reversed grid. He's obviously jealous of a) Turkington's talent b) WSR and/or c) Rob Austin's Rob Austin-ness.

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 10 Jun 2014, 15:06 (Ref:3418171)

http://www.touringcartimes.com/2014/...-eight-on-rwd/

Appalling reaction. As soon as the RWD cars have a good weekend compared to the FWD cars, they complain. The next time a factory team wins in the BTCC, WSR should complain publicly that it's very unfair that they have more funding, etc etc.

---EDIT---

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114385

GOOD

Lancsbreaker · 10 Jun 2014, 17:39 (Ref:3418248)

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Originally Posted by Biscuits In A Red Bull

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114385

GOOD

Oh, yippee, back to last-second lunge, locked up on the brakes, punt the car in front out of the way and slither out of Island ahead of it........just the sort of racing we need.......NOT!

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 10 Jun 2014, 19:01 (Ref:3418282)

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Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Oh, yippee, back to last-second lunge, locked up on the brakes, punt the car in front out of the way and slither out of Island ahead of it........just the sort of racing we need.......NOT!

That's a very cynical view considering there was 1 clean overtake over the weekend in the BTCC races, and that was Rob Austin passing a confused and slowing Rob Collard.

PandaKing · 10 Jun 2014, 20:06 (Ref:3418303)

Adam Morgan put in several clean overtakes into Lodge, as it has been mentioned before the lack of overtaking on the international layout would not be such a problem if they straight lined britten's. It would give a far better run down to Hislops. The island layout hardly triggered clean overtaking galore.

MarkG · 10 Jun 2014, 20:14 (Ref:3418304)

I hope Colin Turkington wins the championship. A class driver racing against a few rock-apes.

S griffin · 10 Jun 2014, 20:57 (Ref:3418325)

I think it could be his year. His approach is starting to remind me of 09, but more so.

Great day for Ireland with Aron Smith winning race 3.

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 11 Jun 2014, 06:50 (Ref:3418425)

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Originally Posted by PandaKing

Adam Morgan put in several clean overtakes into Lodge, as it has been mentioned before the lack of overtaking on the international layout would not be such a problem if they straight lined britten's. It would give a far better run down to Hislops. The island layout hardly triggered clean overtaking galore.

I agree that Britten ruined any real chances.

davyboy · 15 Jun 2014, 13:56 (Ref:3422045)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Great day for Ireland with Aron Smith winning race 3.

Indeed... a fantastic day for us.

davyboy · 15 Jun 2014, 14:07 (Ref:3422049)

In terms of a talked about RWD advantage, the stats below make interesting reading. Of the 64 races held to date, Honda and MG have won 51. That's an almost 80% hit rate. MG alone have won almost twice that of BMW. Maybe Ian Harrison doesn't realize that 17 is bigger number than 9

NGTC MARQUE WINS IN BTCC as of June 2014
Honda (FWD) 34
MG (FWD) 17
BMW (RWD) 9
Audi (RWD) 1
Ford (FWD) 1
Toyota (FWD) 1
Volkswagen (FWD) 1

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