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So pay Robbie Gordon a licensing fee, set up a similar series in Australia but with various marques bodies (Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Great Wall etc) with a cheap buy in and a REC style entry point, and bang, away you go. |
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24 Oct 2016, 03:44 (Ref:3682381) | #27 | |
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Nascar trucks?
Just throw the relevent headlight and grille stickers on them, and represent whichever brand suits your sponsors. |
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If you want to do the season budget for $US250K the space frame series that as originally being considered was meant to cost $A120K. These super utes will be cheaper than that Last edited by peckstar; 24 Oct 2016 at 03:52. |
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You're less likely to write one off, compared to a ute, which are up there in terms of build costs. And if you seriously bin one of those, there's not a whole lot you'll be able to salvage.
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I am just not sure a bunch of diesels droning around is going to be a patch on the current V8s. I was over in Texas with friends and took over some of the current utes racing at Bathurst and the guys went nuts for it. Reality is though if they want any kind of manufacturer involvement it has to be a product that people buy, so here we are. |
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The purchase costs and build costs for the utes will vary wildly, though. Not everyone is buying them new, nor are starting from scratch.
I would consider using either of the V8 engines currently used in the series, to power whatever they're using next. I don't think turbo diesel is the go. Development and maintenance costs will put that idea to bed. |
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24 Oct 2016, 05:57 (Ref:3682401) | #34 | |
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Is Utes considered a "feeder/development"category or more somewhere for those with cash to have a bit of a crack?
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24 Oct 2016, 09:19 (Ref:3682420) | #36 | |
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Is it more just a reasonable affordable 3rd (or 4th) level national category for those that arent as gifted as the top couple of categories, but still a handy steerer (plus those with some cash to have a bit of a crack)
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The UK are going to race the Ssangyong diesel utes.(Belgium too) The 2014 ready to go cost of a SSangyong ute in caged race trim was NZ$34.5K, the 2017 show room cost of a base model V8 Holden ute is NZ$56.5K
There is one Ssangyong super ute in NZ that is similar to V8 utes in performance. The Ssangyong has a custom turbo engine, tti sequential, Brembos, a fair bit of tubing. http://www.themotorhood.com/themotor...ust-got-ripped https://youtu.be/ipLm_qEi12Q?t=57s (engine sound) V8 utes appear to a hobby motorsport in Aus for the likes of Kim Jane, Peter Ward etc. Usually better to concentrate on quality sponsors rather than manufacturers. A possible powertrain for the Super utes - control LS engine with close coupled Albins sequential (even if you have to chop the fire wall, control brakes and sus. and run a beam axle compared to the Supercars irs. Last edited by GHOGH; 24 Oct 2016 at 10:18. |
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What they are proposing to replace the V8 utes with will be a watered down version of what the Stadium trucks are doing. |
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And ultimately less popular. Bang for bucks wise, Stadium Trucks will give manufacturers more incentive to join the series than a field of droning diesel, body rolling work utes.
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Have to say that so far there is nothing I find interesting about this suggested series.
Biggest concern I have is how it might look for the series & for motor sport in general. CO2 is the big pollutant enemy these days & that's what diesels pump out - add in particulates & visible smoke & the risk with this series is that it could be a big turn off for many casual event visitors. Hope I'm proven wrong but that's my concern. |
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You seem to have an interest in the CO2, can you give me the comparison between a XR8 ute and SuperUte, Feel free to chuck in a Gt3 lambo if you want as well. Let me help, straight up the SuperUte is the lowest CO2 producer of the 3 If you are worried about CO2 you probably shouldnt be into motorsport Last edited by peckstar; 25 Oct 2016 at 00:11. |
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CO2 output of diesel is about 10% higher than petrol per litre burned, but diesels use a fair bit less than even the most efficient petrol engines so it is line ball on CO2. Nitrogen oxides would probably be the place to criticise diesels, but very efficient modern petrol engines are not far behind either. |
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The current V8 Aus ute teams(who want to stay with V8 utes rather than building diesl utes with unknown running costs) might talk to the https://historicracing.com.au/ in many places the historics pull good crowds. There is also livestreaming now if the V8 utes want to avoid the live broadcast television companies for wider coverage and do delayed highlights packages. The Kumho series is another place for the V8 utes http://v8touringcars.com.au/ (for 5 rounds) and at the Aus GT events that the Superutes are not at.
I cannot imagine the NZ v8 ute teams want to park up or throw away their V8 utes. Hopefully there will be some cheap V8 race utes that can be used in NZ when the Australian teams have finished with them. "Sieders is unsure whether or where he will be racing next season when the SuperUtes category – featuring dual-cab, diesel-powered utes – takes over. “There’s lots of things up in the air depending on how many people from the current series actually go across,’’ he said. “I’ve already heard talk of other people coming into the category because of how excited they are about the new ute. “There’s definite optimism at the moment, so hopefully we get the build specs pretty soon so we can start working out manufacturers and all that sort of stuff." Last edited by GHOGH; 25 Oct 2016 at 00:56. |
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As Mixer has pointed out in regard to CO2, the SuperUte would be the highest of the 3, so you have that 180 degrees wrong but I take his point that the difference is not that great. I'm not that worried personally about CO2 but there are many who are and seeing a field of utes possible smoking around (bear in mind they'll have modified exhausts so may smoke less than a stock vehicle) may give them ammo to throw at the series and motor sport in general - that is my concern. It is a question of perception and in particular how the series might be perceived and used by those outside the sport. |
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Providing they're fitted with a DPF.
I suspect that this will be removed for the purposes of racing. |
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however a turbo diesel in a super ute, uses much less fuel that a v8 ute or a lambo. so here is your numbers A ford Ranger produces about 240g CO2 per Km, a Ford V8 ute produces about 320g perKM and a Gt3 lambo uses around 400g per KM So moving to super utes will produce less CO2 than the utes currently run. that would be a win based on your theory modern diesels have particle filters that significantly reduce particle particles. I suspect you will see very little balck smoke, |
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25 Oct 2016, 01:42 (Ref:3682638) | #50 | ||
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Agree - when they are stock.
I've seen plenty smoking when they've been modified though, and the article says they'll have a control modified exhaust. I really, really hope that they don't end up smoking but my concern is that they may end up doing so. |
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