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Old 31 Aug 2017, 07:01 (Ref:3763115)   #76
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To be fair, Perez does pay a King's ransom to do it...
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 11:35 (Ref:3763151)   #77
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Yes. It's not fear to live to fight another day.

These people are supposed to be professionals, paid a huge amount of money to help their teams get as far up the WC rankings as they can. They won't do it if they keep trashing their cars on each other.

This silly bickering should be left in the lower formulae. Perez and Ocon are paid to do a job most people would pay a King's Ransom to do. It's not big, it's not clever, it just shows an immaturity that other teams will be noticing.

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They're supposed to be professionals. As in, they should all know what is around them and not be trying to wreck each other. Ocon can't be thinking "I'd better back out because he will wreck me." It has to be expected that another driver in the top series won't try to kill him. Especially a teammate. Your post puts all the requirements of professionalism on ocon. He can't back out of any pass of Perez because of perez' lack of professionalism.
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 12:09 (Ref:3763155)   #78
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Didn't Berger say after his collision with Senna in Rio 'if you back out once, he's got a hold on you forever' or something to that effect? So you can't blame Ocon for keeping his nose in
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 14:36 (Ref:3763194)   #79
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You can blame Ocon for trying a move that was never on and sticking to it.
Perez is not blameless for what happened of course, but neither is Ocon.

Stupid move, stupid reaction, sad result for the team.
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 14:40 (Ref:3763198)   #80
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I mean the second incident
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 14:41 (Ref:3763199)   #81
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I mean the second incident
So do I.

IMO that move was never on, *especially* after it failed the first time. Different circumstances, but failed nonetheless.
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 14:46 (Ref:3763200)   #82
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I just don't see any way to blame ocon for the second incident. He had a huge run on Perez and was pullkng alongside on a straight, which should be something professional drivers could do easily - manage 2 wide on a straight. He was to have the inside into au rouge with the run, leaving Perez as the one needing to back out. To have not pulled along side Perez there he would have had to check up quite a bit and lose a ton of momentum. I'm just not seeing any way to blame ocon for being run into the wall by a teammate.
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 14:49 (Ref:3763202)   #83
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I just don't see any way to blame ocon for the second incident. He had a huge run on Perez and was pullkng alongside on a straight, which should be something professional drivers could do easily - manage 2 wide on a straight. He was to have the inside into au rouge with the run, leaving Perez as the one needing to back out. To have not pulled along side Perez there he would have had to check up quite a bit and lose a ton of momentum. I'm just not seeing any way to blame ocon for being run into the wall by a teammate.
Agree 100%.
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 14:52 (Ref:3763203)   #84
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I respect your opinion, I just see it differently.

Do you think that move would have worked if it had been Vettel on Hamilton or vice versa? Or Ricciardo on Verstappen? Or Raikkonen on Bottas?
(just to name a few)

Frankly, I don't think so.
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Old 31 Aug 2017, 15:26 (Ref:3763216)   #85
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Probably not - Vettel would have just hit Hamilton up the backside.......

Only joking..... (Probably).
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I just don't see any way to blame ocon for the second incident.
Neither can I. 100% Perez's fault.
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Old 1 Sep 2017, 08:52 (Ref:3763380)   #87
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They should both probably stick to punting footballers out of the way in karts....... It's clearly in their DNA.....
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Old 1 Sep 2017, 12:07 (Ref:3763421)   #88
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One thing I will give Perez credit for is totally owning the first incident. He took full blame for that one which is commendable. But, cynically, this may have been a way to soften the backlash from the second incident as well....
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Old 2 Sep 2017, 15:57 (Ref:3763819)   #89
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I see what gert is saying though. It is Perez who caused the accident, but Ocon could have avoided it. Not saying he's responsible for it, but he could have avoided it.

Reminds me of Lewis and Maldonado at Valencia all those years ago. Pastor was completely at fault, but everybody (except Lewis) seen the accident coming, and Lewis could have avoided it.
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Well, Ocon stuffed his team mate today - in the best possible way. I suspect that's going to happen more often in the future.....
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I see what gert is saying though. It is Perez who caused the accident, but Ocon could have avoided it. Not saying he's responsible for it, but he could have avoided it.
One shouldn't have to "avoid" a very dangerous intentional move. They did avoid consequences that could have been much, much, worse.
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One shouldn't have to "avoid" a very dangerous intentional move. They did avoid consequences that could have been much, much, worse.
I never said he should have to avoid it.
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Well, Ocon stuffed his team mate today - in the best possible way.
Sure did. They say the better, more talented and skilled drivers - always shine in wet weather. And qualifying at Monza was just another example of why Ocon is a better driver than Perez.

When the announcement was made November 2016 that Ocon would join Perez at FI, I knew Perez was going to have some real competition on his hands. And he doesn't like it. Perez gets dirty when he doesn't get his own way. An attitude that McLaren did not put up with.
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Whiting explains why Alonso was not penalized for "pushing" Palmer off the circuit.

Apparently Alonso was ahead of the passing car at the apex of the corner so was entitled to push him off.

http://www.f1reader.com/news/fia-exp...ncident-179241

I think this may well come back to bite him.

Still no explanation on why Perez escaped penalty.
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Charlie is just going with the flow of most F1 opinion. Alonso was doing everyone a favour - and Charlie took this into account. Palmer should not only be pushed off the circuit, but pushed off the grid as well! Palmer is a waste of a good F1 seat.
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I never said he should have to avoid it.
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Charlie is just going with the flow of most F1 opinion. Alonso was doing everyone a favour - and Charlie took this into account. Palmer should not only be pushed off the circuit, but pushed off the grid as well! Palmer is a waste of a good F1 seat.
Really? Did not see Spa quali where he drove really well, only to have bad luck strike again? I think even Palmer's harshest critics would admit he's been unlucky not to score at least one point this season
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