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Bcarr6 · 11 Oct 2016, 08:45 (Ref:3679239)

LMP3 field IMSA 2017

Dayvtec Engineering - Ligier JSP3 Nissan
Dayvtec Engineering - Ligier JSP3 Nissan
ESM Tequila Patron - Ligier JSP3 Nissan
ANSA Motorsports - Adess-03 Nissan
JDC Motorsports - Ligier JSP3 Nissan

IMSA confirmed entries only so far, know there's plenty more rumoured

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billy bleach · 11 Oct 2016, 11:24 (Ref:3679270)

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Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

So no agenda behind that question then?

If you have facts about the car then do feel free to field them here?

Agenda? Why? Why on earth would there be an agenda? Just interested that's all

fieldodreams79 · 11 Oct 2016, 11:44 (Ref:3679273)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bcarr6

LMP3 field IMSA 2017

Dayvtec Engineering - Ligier JSP3 Nissan
Dayvtec Engineering - Ligier JSP3 Nissan
ESM Tequila Patron - Ligier JSP3 Nissan
ANSA Motorsports - Adess-03 Nissan
JDC Motorsports - Ligier JSP3 Nissan

IMSA confirmed entries only so far, know there's plenty more rumoured

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Thanks!

It's a start!

Coach Ep · 11 Oct 2016, 13:52 (Ref:3679298)

ow oh, it's getting ugly... :

http://sportscar365.com/gt/24hseries...-proto-series/

I can see the ACO 'blacklisting' those who show up with their P3s before the ELMS season starts...

**joeb** · 11 Oct 2016, 14:03 (Ref:3679301)

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Originally Posted by Coach Ep

Thanks for the clean up joeb!

Are you going down to NOLA for TA this weekend? Just curious.

I would like to see a race at Nola again after the Indycar debacle, but it isn't in the cards for me this weekend.

**joeb** · 11 Oct 2016, 14:05 (Ref:3679302)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

ow oh, it's getting ugly... :

http://sportscar365.com/gt/24hseries...-proto-series/

I can see the ACO 'blacklisting' those who show up with their P3s before the ELMS season starts...

I hope the parties involved can get to some type of an agreement before it gets any worse.

**FIRE** · 11 Oct 2016, 17:42 (Ref:3679354)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

ow oh, it's getting ugly... :

http://sportscar365.com/gt/24hseries...-proto-series/

I can see the ACO 'blacklisting' those who show up with their P3s before the ELMS season starts...

I don't like the ACO power play so my sympathy goes to Creventic.

Akrapovic · 11 Oct 2016, 17:46 (Ref:3679356)

Why is it ok for the ACO to use SROs formula with GT3, but when someone else wants to use something the ACO made, that isn't? Are they scared they'll get low LMP3 numbers if people go off to race in other series? Potentially one where they can get an overall win and longer races?

Unacceptable stance. Especially since they just want to run the stock LMP3s, not hack them up and call them Creventic Prototypes.

billy bleach · 11 Oct 2016, 21:05 (Ref:3679402)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Goodwin

So no agenda behind that question then?

If you have facts about the car then do feel free to field them here?

As an aside following Brexit the £ has fallen by nearly 20% against the $. Makes a USA built car expensive!!!

Matt · 12 Oct 2016, 02:56 (Ref:3679445)

The pound is still worth more than the US dollar though...1 pound equals ~$1.25.

**joeb** · 12 Oct 2016, 11:15 (Ref:3679513)

I just read on DSC that the British prototype championship seems to be gaining in popularity. This series also utilizes lmp3 cars, so has the ACO chimed in on this championship too, or are Creventic the lucky ones?

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2016/1...ock-notes.html

Coach Ep · 12 Oct 2016, 13:12 (Ref:3679555)

I believe the Brits were smart enough to make that o so important phone call ahead of their public announcements.

Anyway, the article really highlights the success factors of LMP3, it's not hard to see why it's rapidly replacing GT3 as the desired class for teams and gentlemen drivers with daily news announcements about entries, purchases and what more (11 cars on the AsLMS entry list, 3 United Autosport cars to Gulf 12H and huge interest in the British series).

Creventic's proposition compared to the ELMS (entry fees, travel costs, etc.) are very favorable so I won't be surprised to see the numbers they claim to have will actually be surpassed in reality! Hopefully their dispute with the ACO will be solved one way or another before the lights turn green.

MagVanisher · 18 Oct 2016, 12:54 (Ref:3681091)

Controlling LMP3's expansion? Hmm, I have a bad feeling about this...

Beaumesnil: “We Want to Control the Expansion of LMP3” (via Sportscar 365)

I hope ACO won't make BS regulations like limiting the number of cars manufactured per chassis maker or something.

Coach Ep · 18 Oct 2016, 14:45 (Ref:3681121)

rule #1: when folks say it's not about the money, see rule #2.

rule #2: it's about the money!

**FIRE** · 18 Oct 2016, 17:12 (Ref:3681150)

Correct me if I am wrong but Ratel didn't control GT3 in that manner and see what happened.

FormulaFox · 18 Oct 2016, 18:27 (Ref:3681171)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Correct me if I am wrong but Ratel didn't control GT3 in that manner and see what happened.

His series are still regarded as the top(international) GT3 championships, though.

Rodger Davies · 18 Oct 2016, 21:05 (Ref:3681204)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

His series are still regarded as the top(international) GT3 championships, though.

Didn't stop the ACO from trying to encourage Blancpain entries into the LMS a couple of years back

truebeliever · 19 Oct 2016, 02:11 (Ref:3681257)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

rule #1: when folks say it's not about the money, see rule #2.

rule #2: it's about the money!

Correct

truebeliever · 19 Oct 2016, 03:40 (Ref:3681274)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Ep

I believe the Brits were smart enough to make that o so important phone call ahead of their public announcements.

Anyway, the article really highlights the success factors of LMP3, it's not hard to see why it's rapidly replacing GT3 as the desired class for teams and gentlemen drivers with daily news announcements about entries, purchases and what more (11 cars on the AsLMS entry list, 3 United Autosport cars to Gulf 12H and huge interest in the British series).

Creventic's proposition compared to the ELMS (entry fees, travel costs, etc.) are very favorable so I won't be surprised to see the numbers they claim to have will actually be surpassed in reality! Hopefully their dispute with the ACO will be solved one way or another before the lights turn green.

I am curious as to what can be the possible difference between running an LMP3 in the ELMS and the Creventic proposed series?

Granted if you do the ELMS, it does involve travel around Europe for the team. But unless the ACO entry fees, etc are astronomical by comparison, where is the difference? Surely the actual costs of running the car, operating the team, transporter and so on, has to be the same?

Coach Ep · 19 Oct 2016, 03:53 (Ref:3681275)

from DSC:

Quote:

CREVENTIC is offering a very competitively priced package for participation in this race: the total entry fee for the three three-hour races is 10,000 Euros, including standard transport of race car and equipment from Europe to Dubai Autodrome and back, all the logistics including customs and handling in Dubai, free practice, qualifying, the three races and all the fuel that is needed for the event.

ELMS single race entry fee is 16.000 euro. plus an advance on fuel and types (source: DSC' comment on their own FB post).
No transport and no logistic full service. Less track time (4H race vs. 3x 3H races).

Mike E · 19 Oct 2016, 11:29 (Ref:3681346)

All seems a bit odd since the ACO adopted GT3 rules, and even the name, for the GT3 Le Mans Cup.

hondafan37 · 19 Oct 2016, 14:06 (Ref:3681377)

I do not understand the position of the ACO in this discussion.
Crevetic only must change the name of class.
Any team who buys a Ligier or other LMP3 is free to race it wherever they want.
Crevetic also accept CN an LMP3 with another engine like Ginetta G57 in the series which means it is not exclusive LMP3.

**FIRE** · 19 Oct 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3681412)

Quote:

Originally Posted by FormulaFox

His series are still regarded as the top(international) GT3 championships, though.

Yes but I am sure the ELMS will also regarded higher than Creventic.
The Creventic races are more aimed at the true gentlemen drivers/teams.

**joeb** · 19 Oct 2016, 19:53 (Ref:3681456)

Guy Cosmo has been helping ESM test their Ligier at Palm Beach today

https://twitter.com/PatronESM/status/788785743049134084

MagVanisher · 20 Oct 2016, 00:44 (Ref:3681503)

Any news on what happened to the Dome LMP3 car?

Also, nice to see Extreme Motorsport testing out the OAK Ligier P3 car. Of course, it won't be competing in any IMSA event soon.

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