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standover tactics wont cut it in WA
HSVDT missed VESA not having the courtesy to stand by the timing VESA gave to the WASCC ....
Yep, the WASCC is a car club & car clubs are the lifeblood of Australian motorsport .. its not in business like Linfox or Bob Jane or most other promoters, it puts any surplus back into motorsport with the support of like minded businessmen e.g Alf Barbagallo:Substantial support was gained from long term sponsor Alf Barbagallo to enable the construction of the short circuit and it was announced that the Circuit would be known as Barbagallo Raceway Wanneroo. Maybe someone like Kerry Stokes should buy it you think HSVDT. WASCC since 1927 ... been to the brink of financial disaster before for WA motorsport not a private company out to extract as many dollars from the sport as possible. |
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Okay, let's check the list of removed / dead / cancelled races and find out why (and who replaced them)?
Calder Park -> TBA -> replaced by Gold Coast (Indy) Canberra -> change of government -> replaced by a second Eastern Creek round Shanghai -> TBA -> replaced by Bahrain Pukekohe -> moved for better crowds -> replaced by Hamilton Oran Park -> sold for development, no chance of repica -> replaced by Homebush Eastern Creek -> long-standing spat with ARDC -> replaced by Townsville So what's going to replace a great track like Barbagallo??? Last edited by pascofi m-sport; 14 Feb 2010 at 05:41. Reason: left out one line |
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Wheatbelt Motorplex The Dowerin Car Club was reformed at about the same time that the Wheatbelt Motorplex proposal was first put forward. Naturally the Club fully endorses and supports the Motorplex. This development will see a first rate motorsports complex that's easily accessible to metropolitan and country enthusiasts alike. Not only will it be available for motorsport, but it is planned to have a driver education centre operating from the venue. Work on the Motorplex has undertaken a number of 'background' stages, which are not apparent to the general public. Below you'll see a sketch of a current proposed circuit layout. This shows a track that can hold races in either direction, is specified to V8 Supercar standards and, importantly, is also designed with motorbike racing in mind. Additionally part of the infield will house a go kart track. As of early February 2010, the funding for 'headworks' has been received allowing the provision for power and water to be undertaken. A full site survey is also immenent. For full details on the Wheatbelt Motorplex visit the Wheatbelt Motorplex site. http://www.dowerincarclub.com/page12.htm I really hope VESA goes with the Motorplex circuit once its finished atleast these guys can see the good that the V8s bring unlike a lot of people on here who have nothing better to do but bag the crap out VESA. |
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The calender does seem a but saturated with Street Circuit Rounds...
Townsville, Sydney, Adelaide, Albert Park(NC), Hamilton, Surfers Paradise... I don't mind them as they provide intense action but too much of anything is never a good thing... |
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I also noticed Queensland Raceways Mr Tetley has gone real quiet over the last week I wonder why.
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cavvy, can you produce anything that states the exact date that VESA gave the WASCC, because I can't and I've read plenty of articles regarding VESA and the WASCC but none have shown a date to substantiate the claims of what the WASCC are now saying. WASCC statement: The WA Sporting Car Club is disappointed that V8 Supercars have made a decision not to come to Perth this year. What is more disappointing is that this was announced on Monday 8th despite the V8s imposed deadline of Tuesday 9th 1:00 PM Queensland time, and the fact that we have still not been formally advised by V8Supercars as of 9am Saturday 13th February 2010 Now HSVDT, you can claim the WASCC is lying. Alternatively you can take VESAs silence .. Dowerin: Between 1927 and 1939, the town hosted one of the major racetracks in the state. The Second World War brought an end to the racing and when it started again afterwards, racers moved to a new track on the former Caversham Airfield near Perth. Later, they moved from Caversham to Wannneroo, which today is known as Barbagallo Raceway. In May 2007, a vintage car motoring event was run to commemorate the town's history and its association with motor racing in Western Australia. Known as Theo's run, the event is named after a local who raced on the Dowerin track in its heyday in the 1930s and is expected to become an annual event. The 2007 event included a vintage car run from Perth with Jaguar and Riley cars participating.[4] |
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IF the WA round doesn't go ahead, what's going to happen to the excess supply of soft tyres designated to be used solely by this round?
Also, did anyone see this in the WASCC release? 2??? |
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lets see how much truth you hold
cavvy, I'll rephrase the question just for you, can you produce a definate date that VESA gave the WASCC prior to the WASCCs 13th of February media release statement. I bet you can't because there has been no dates in other articles that mention a deadline. As I stated earlier I have not found any dates in any other articles that substantiate the claims of a deadline date that the WASCC used in there 13th February statement.
On face value the WASCCs 13th February media statement hasn't harmed them but due to the heavy demands that they want they have lost some creditbility over it. Is the WASCC lying well if we all went off of that statement of theres I would say its 50/50. The first thing that nailed it was the fact that the WASCC says it had 65,000 attendances in 2008 yet in 2009 that dropped by approx- 50% which doesn't ring true, the best crowd turnout at Barbagallo was close to 100,000 and the worst is 45,000 therefore so to drop another 12,500 just does not add up. |
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There has been a constant decline in people turning up to Wanneroo from the end of the group A era to now. Except for two times. Both of these where for superstar Farewells. Last year there was no cue to get into the track on the sunday!
Now what some people on the east coast don't know is anything about the WASCC and the History of these issues with V8 Supercars. The Wascc has run 3 AGP's one of which almost killed the Club and is also the longest running car club / promoter in the country. All this is done off the back of a core group of volunteer's. ( Cavvy did his time I think ) If the club went under there are massive implications to the members. |
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WA has what? 2 million people? There is only so much of an economic base, despite the mineral wealth, that can support a race track, especially to the Yas Marina quality that V8SC seems to want.
I think all this that has been happening for the past few years is just an angle to get a street race. |
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I actually think that VESA gave up on the street race idea over there a couple of years ago Mountainstar - think that they may have even declared that at a media conference or in a release but I could be mistaken on that.
I agree with them that the pit lane & paddock area need work but I'm not at all convinced that all this shenanigans is all about that. Seems to me that it is more commercially based than that but it also seems as if communications between the car club & VESA have effectively broken down when one is talking of offers to help with virtually nil response & the other is talking about a deadline that has yet to occur. All a bit strange really as really don't think that the VESA board would lightly walk away from a WA round given its importance to sponsors and the fanbase there only having one opportunity to see the cars live each year without paying a lot of money for airfares etc. A real shame. |
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