[Rules] Future Rule Changes

[JABWOA]

Of course he's right. We all here totally agree the the new rules won't fix the problem.
And I agree with Max, faster isn't better (except you do need to faster than your supports which are feeder to you) but being able to set up a pass or pass a back marker are important. And no I don't want to see draft wars, get enough of that online, thank you.

[Pingguest]

It is often said that Formula One needs more mechanical grip, at least in relative terms. However, one cannot expect this to happen when teams still compete in respect to their aerodynamics on one hand and tires are standardized on the other – and logically exploited in an attempt to artificially ‘spice up’ the racing, something for which Max Mosley is most responsible.

[Sodemo]

I think widening the cars was a good move, it creates more drag, decreases the weight transfer in corners and provides a more stable car. Widening the tyres again, a good move, though i'd have concentrated more on the rear tyres, I think the fronts were ok in their width, maybe a touch wider.

The problem is the aero, its the main reason we have to suffer guff like DRS. If they concentrated on developing an aero rules solution which simply allowed cars to follow each other closer then you wouldnt need DRS at all. My own take on that would be;

- Much smaller, simpler and narrower front wing which would end inside the wheel line.
- Mandate the max rear wing size with a view to reducing the size of the elements.
- Move forward with an underbody aero solution.

[VIVA GT]

Now that Ross Brawn is involved I am hoping that this is something he will be allowed to address. It's too late now for anything this season (to be fair to the teams, there does have to be stability), and anyway Ross appears to be more realistic about timescales, but hopefully his background and knowledge will be very useful (as long as he is allowed to do things by his employers).

[S griffin]

I am sure Ross will come up with the right solution, he has an eye for this sort of thing and uses his loaf

[JABWOA]

It will come down to the Working Technical Group and their interests. This issue was raised by them and then they democratically came up with the half solution we've got this year.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

Now that Ross Brawn is involved I am hoping that this is something he will be allowed to address. It's too late now for anything this season (to be fair to the teams, there does have to be stability), and anyway Ross appears to be more realistic about timescales, but hopefully his background and knowledge will be very useful (as long as he is allowed to do things by his employers).

There in lies the rub; as long as he is allowed to do things by his employers.

I hope he is.

[Born Racer]

It looks like with the new tyres, we may be looking at shorter braking distances this year and also with the aero regs, cars won't be able to follow each other so easily through the corners, so DRS will become more important than before to get a move done on a straight before a braking zone. For drivers, the skill of being the last of the late brakers is going to be a real asset.

A few fewer overtakes might not be so bad, but it would be a pity if they really struggle to follow through the corners and a drivers started to wait much more for DRS opportunities to pass.

[steve_r]

Shorter braking distances, more aero grip, faster corner speeds, all will result in less genuine overtaking opportunities, so therefore DRS will remain as important as ever.

But hey, apparently us fans wanted to see faster cars, so that's alright then.

Bring back steel brakes and absolutely slash wing size & complexity - I know it ain't going to happen, but that would result in closer racing....

[bjohnsonsmith]

Regardless of new tyres and new wings, there is no agreement among the teams regarding suspension.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/128085

[ASCII Man]

Shame, I would've hoped they'd take another look at active suspension, as that technology would make it easier to introduce ground effects again.
With ground effects comes cleaner air, and with that comes closer, and, hopefully, better racing.

[juicy sushi]

Active suspension isn't needed for ground effects, not would skirts be. Indycar have had ground effects tunnels for over 30 years, IMSA had them in GTP, and does now.

Indycar had a devilishly clever, simple rule that banned skirts. They mandated that all bodywork outside the tunnels had to be 2 inches higher than the bodywork between the tunnels. It worked like a charm.

The problem is letting teams have input into rules changes. No one wants to be the potential loser if radical changes were to occur, so this leads to excessive conservatism and bad choices like the DRS.

Ross should just impose an effective solution on everyone, and leave it at that.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by juicy sushi

Active suspension isn't needed for ground effects, not would skirts be. Indycar have had ground effects tunnels for over 30 years, IMSA had them in GTP, and does now.

Indycar had a devilishly clever, simple rule that banned skirts. They mandated that all bodywork outside the tunnels had to be 2 inches higher than the bodywork between the tunnels. It worked like a charm.

The problem is letting teams have input into rules changes. No one wants to be the potential loser if radical changes were to occur, so this leads to excessive conservatism and bad choices like the DRS.

Ross should just impose an effective solution on everyone, and leave it at that.

CART/Champ Car used ground effect but the IRL mandated flat bottomed cars, until the DW 12 was introduced. The use of aero-kits, during the last two seasons, has reduced the amount of downforce generated by the under-tray, in favour of increased downfore from aero itself, with the usual problems. However, with a significant amount of downforce still coming from the under-tray, the cars can run much closer compared to F1.

[old man]

Originally Posted by juicy sushi

The problem is letting teams have input into rules changes. No one wants to be the potential loser if radical changes were to occur, so this leads to excessive conservatism and bad choices like the DRS.

Ross should just impose an effective solution on everyone, and leave it at that.

Fully agree with this, either imposed solution or much more freedom.

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I think widening the cars was a good move, it creates more drag, decreases the weight transfer in corners and provides a more stable car. Widening the tyres again, a good move, though i'd have concentrated more on the rear tyres, I think the fronts were ok in their width, maybe a touch wider.

The problem is the aero, its the main reason we have to suffer guff like DRS. If they concentrated on developing an aero rules solution which simply allowed cars to follow each other closer then you wouldnt need DRS at all. My own take on that would be;

- Much smaller, simpler and narrower front wing which would end inside the wheel line.
- Mandate the max rear wing size with a view to reducing the size of the elements.
- Move forward with an underbody aero solution.

Wings? Ban them! Then we will see some passing that is not induced by pressing a button.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

Wings? Ban them! Then we will see some passing that is not induced by pressing a button.

Agreed. I would like to see 1000bhp formula fords with wide slick tyres.

[S griffin]

The least they can do is get rid of all those winglets. Then they can try reducing the front wing size

[wnut]

Originally Posted by dsg

Agreed. I would like to see 1000bhp formula fords with wide slick tyres.

[F1Guy]

For those that haven't seen it, Ted Kravitz interviews Ross Brawn. A must watch (and listen).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz6FB-buuRQ

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by F1Guy

For those that haven't seen it, Ted Kravitz interviews Ross Brawn. A must watch (and listen).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz6FB-buuRQ

I am glad to see Ross Brawn involved because that man is a rock of sense. I suspect over the next few years changes happening ( not all of them visible straight away) that will improve the sport for all. The one caveat is who pays. If it is spread over greater numbers of fans and sponsors then it will be good.

The changes that have already happened in terms of social media are good but lets see where we are in a year or two.

If that had been an interview with Bernie how long would it have been on You tube? Seconds.

[old man]

Really excellent interview, no question on wisdom of this appointment. I look forward with enthusiasm to what he can bring

[S griffin]

He's now proposing a non-championship race to try out new formulas. Frankly he can dowgrade one of the races already on the calendar, looks like there is already one too many races

[old man]

I did a check a couple of years ago into races held in the UK back in the 50s and early 60s, can't remember how I did this but I found there were more F1 races in the British calendar than in the World Championship at the time. Many were open to F2 cars as well.

[S griffin]

They sometimes even had 2 non championship races in different location on the same day

[Richard C]

So Sky has yanked that (and other) videos off that YouTube channel. It's not surprising as that channel is nothing more than reposting content stolen from other sources. I don't know if Sky posts their content or not, but regardless if you search, you can find the video.

I watched it and I was on the fence before regarding Ross, but he said all the right things and I was very impressed. He talked to a very pragmatic, practical and non-fantasy approach to the future. I liked his comment of "poacher turned gamekeeper". So far Liberty is moving things in the right direction.

Richard