Blow to Nissan Supercars future??

[Umai Naa]

It was their choice to make.

They nominated the 5.6L motor well before the Nissan deal was even signed off on.

[RedZedMikey]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

It was their choice to make.

They nominated the 5.6L motor well before the Nissan deal was even signed off on.

If they were nominating the 5.6, they were probably told what bore they had to use - which probably ruled out the 4.5 litre at that point. Volvo didn't have a bigger V8 than the 4.4; what I don't know is whether Volvo/Polestar had to fight for the smaller bore, and stroke it to 5 lt, or if V8SC offered it up.

Even when going to the 5.6 litre motor, they still had to use larger pistons than the factory block. Ex factory, the bore/stroke is 98/82mm, the VASC version is 102.69/75.31mm. Given Nissan wanted to start with a stock block, maybe the VK45 didn't have enough meat to run those pistons, ex factory that block has 93mm slugs. The VK45 block was cast in japan; as far as I know the VK56 was cast in the US, so differences are likely.

Perhaps what Nissan/Nismo/Kellys should have done is hold out for a better combo in the early stages before announcing the program.

[mayhem]

Still No Decision at Nissan

The language used by new Nissan Australia boss Stephen Lester in this article isn't overly positive....

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by RedZedMikey

Perhaps what Nissan/Nismo/Kellys should have done is hold out for a better combo in the early stages before announcing the program.

I don't know. With Gen 2 now, in theory, they can drop in a R35 GTR crate engine (it already makes 590bhp in conservative 200,000km+ stock tune) and fiddle with the computer so the output matches that of the best V8. It should be simple, in theory...

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

I don't know. With Gen 2 now, in theory, they can drop in a R35 GTR crate engine (it already makes 590bhp in conservative 200,000km+ stock tune) and fiddle with the computer so the output matches that of the best V8. It should be simple, in theory...

In a body shell no longer sold, and with aero that nobody knows is equivalent to the other two.

Running 2 teams of that brand would build inter-team competition and give a gauge as to where stuff needs to be worked on.

Right now, at Bathurst anyway, the engine holds them back.

[mayhem]

Nissan to enter Formula E

Wonder whether this has any effect on their Supercar spend in Australia?

[rich07]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Nissan to enter Formula E

Wonder whether this has any effect on their Supercar spend in Australia?

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Its just a rebranding of the Renault Formula E effort so it should cost Nissan less as they don't have to set up a team.

I think the question is-if Nissan commit to a new car will they stick with the Kellys?

[NaBUru38]

Formula E has no rounds in Australia, so Nissan Australia can't rely on Formula E to promote their brand.

[mayhem]

Not sure Supercars has been the monster leverage tool they'd hoped for either, truth be known.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Not sure Supercars has been the monster leverage tool they'd hoped for either, truth be known.

Would have been better selling most of the range as fertiliser.

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[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Not sure Supercars has been the monster leverage tool they'd hoped for either, truth be known.

Would have been had they actually won with regularity....

[Umai Naa]

They could've done with a Bathurst or championship win.

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

They could've done with a Bathurst or championship win.

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Would have been had they actually won with regularity....

Obviously impossible to prove and if so, by how much, but I reckon you'd be right.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

They could've done with a Bathurst or championship win.

Supercars technical department have been slacking by not brewing up some special fuel for the Nissans, for "parity"... Don't they know that sharing the wins is the best way to please manufacturers?

[bathurst77]

Considering Nissan dont sell any "sedans" in australia its hard to see what leverage they are getting. Maybe a navara or something in the new look utes category?

[twinwebbers]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

Considering Nissan dont sell any "sedans" in australia...

Holy SUV batman! Not being a Nissan fan, I didn't know the current range, so didn't believe you. More fool me.

The complete range from their website: 370Z Coupe; 370Z Roadster; GT-R; JUKE; QASHQAI; X-TRAIL; Pathfinder; Patrol; Navara;

Doesn't exactly scream Supercar entrant does it.

[peckstar]

and in September was the 12th best selling brand (althought YTD is higher)

[GTRMagic]

Nissan Discussion “Gets Serious”

[Langers]

Originally Posted by twinwebbers

Holy SUV batman! Not being a Nissan fan, I didn't know the current range, so didn't believe you. More fool me.

The complete range from their website: 370Z Coupe; 370Z Roadster; GT-R; JUKE; QASHQAI; X-TRAIL; Pathfinder; Patrol; Navara;

Doesn't exactly scream Supercar entrant does it.

It's a very strange range isn't it. 3 sports cars, 3 soft roaders, 3 off roaders.

No sedans, no wagons, no hatches, no city cars, no Leaf

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Langers

No sedans, no wagons, no hatches, no city cars, no Leaf

12 months ago they had the Altima, Pulsar and Leaf.

The Pulsar is a hateful little sack of crap in a heavily competitive market full of excellent cars.

The Altima is an odd-looking thing on a category where you are Camry or nobody.

The Leaf only makes sense to the people who sniff their own farts on the North Shore of Sydney.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Nissan Discussion “Gets Serious”

If Nissan want to continue surely they will have to go with DJR Team Penkse or some other more competitive team (even Erebus would be an improvement?).

[mayhem]

Nissan uncertainty affecting their development

No drivers in the Top Ten for the year, no podiums, and uncertainty now putting a halt on development.

[Langers]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Nissan uncertainty affecting their development

No drivers in the Top Ten for the year, no podiums, and uncertainty now putting a halt on development.

Wow, that really doesn't say much for the work ethic at NisMo AU. Noone said motorsports is easy. Press on and put in the hours and you will get results. Saying "oh we're all a bit tired and need a break" is going to get you absolutely nowhere, especially when you are already behind.

[mayhem]

I agree, it kinda reeked of giving up, maybe I've taken the story in the wrong context.

[Langers]

Originally Posted by mayhem

I agree, it kinda reeked of giving up, maybe I've taken the story in the wrong context.

And then you get this:

https://www.speedcafe.com/2017/12/13...ture-decision/

“There is no time in this championship to warm up we need to come out as strong as ever.”

Stronger than ever would be better... as strong as ever and you'll go backwards.