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Old 23 Oct 2014, 10:17 (Ref:3467573)   #16
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Considering they run huge brakes compared to the original one's fitted no wonder they lap quicker than 30 years ago, plus 30 years of engine, suspension and tyre development wouldn't hurt either.
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Old 23 Oct 2014, 10:39 (Ref:3467578)   #17
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As II noted in post #5 their website (and the CAMS website) says their aim is to be (evoking the glory days of Austraiian Touring Car Racing".

How can they do this if they use cars never raced in Australia at the time?

Just because a car raced somewhere in the world pre 1976 I don't think it really meets their aim!

Next they will be allowing Tatras and DKW's. And if they are not competitive they will allow fitting of a big V8........

I note on their eligible cars list is the Perana Capri V8. How many of those raced in Australia.
To be fair, there are cars that have raced in Group Nb (Appendix J) over the years that never raced in Australia in period either.
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Old 23 Oct 2014, 13:52 (Ref:3467626)   #18
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To be fair, there are cars that have raced in Group Nb (Appendix J) over the years that never raced in Australia in period either.
Iso Griffin springs to mind.
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Old 23 Oct 2014, 22:37 (Ref:3467734)   #19
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The GTR XU-1 V8 (not XU-2) was never raced. It never got past the prototype stage (tech speak for 'we've been driving it on the street for 6 months'). HDT did build a Super Sports Torana V8 (The Beast), but in production car racing they only raced the LC/LJ as a GTR then GTR XU-1.

A V8 Charger was also never raced. The E55 (340 V8) was only released as an auto with a single exhaust, without the track pack options. It was slower than the E38/49. The E55 was sold as a luxury tourer, not a sports car. The E55 manual which Greg Crick is racing was the "supercar" that was killed off.
A V8 XU-1 prototype was raced by HDT at Bathurst in 1972 at the ATCC Easter meeting. It competed in Sports Sedans with Colin Bond driving and apparently Improved Production too. The car was number '134' and had a stock 308 V8 and was used for evaluation of how a XU-1 V8 would go at the mountain in October. It's identified by the huge front spoiler and rear wing. There's plenty of info on the car including Firths book 'Holden and I'.
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Old 24 Oct 2014, 00:14 (Ref:3467761)   #20
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A V8 XU-1 prototype was raced by HDT at Bathurst in 1972 at the ATCC Easter meeting. It competed in Sports Sedans with Colin Bond driving and apparently Improved Production too. The car was number '134' and had a stock 308 V8 and was used for evaluation of how a XU-1 V8 would go at the mountain in October. It's identified by the huge front spoiler and rear wing. There's plenty of info on the car including Firths book 'Holden and I'.
A V8 Torana (LC GTR) was raced by Bond in Super Sports, but to call it an XU-1 V8 prototype is not correct. This car was the first iteration of "The Beast". The differences between the super sports car and the production car used that weekend were major (thanks Autopics).
http://autopics.com.au/72090-colin-b...t-easter-1972/
http://autopics.com.au/72054-colin-b...t-easter-1972/
I have no doubt that this iteration of "The Beast" was a test mule. But as I said, a GTR XU-1 V8 was never raced, and never raced as a Production Car.
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Old 24 Oct 2014, 00:27 (Ref:3467763)   #21
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A V8 Torana (LC GTR) was raced by Bond in Super Sports, but to call it an XU-1 V8 prototype is not correct. This car was the first iteration of "The Beast". The differences between the super sports car and the production car used that weekend were major (thanks Autopics).
http://autopics.com.au/72090-colin-b...t-easter-1972/
http://autopics.com.au/72054-colin-b...t-easter-1972/
I have no doubt that this iteration of "The Beast" was a test mule. But as I said, a GTR XU-1 V8 was never raced, and never raced as a Production Car.
You are correct, it wasn't an XU-1 prototype, it was an XU-2 prototype. And it was not the first iteration of the Beast.

The full story was in Australian Muscle Car some time ago, including extensive input from Harry Firth. The car was a victim of the Siper car scare.
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Old 24 Oct 2014, 04:54 (Ref:3467809)   #22
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You are correct, it wasn't an XU-1 prototype, it was an XU-2 prototype. And it was not the first iteration of the Beast.

The full story was in Australian Muscle Car some time ago, including extensive input from Harry Firth. The car was a victim of the Siper car scare.
Terry, you are correct about the beast. I forgot about the rally cross cars.

The XU-2 "prototype" though was never an LJ V8.

The only time Holden ever used XU-2 was on an LH styling exercise:

http://oldholden.com/node/110520
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Jim Richards AMC Javelin wasn't raced here either, but it was good to see it in the series.
This series don't necessarily run on the same rules as other historic series...they broke away from the mainstream for just that reason...
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This series don't necessarily run on the same rules as other historic series...they broke away from the mainstream for just that reason...
It was a good idea to break away too I think.
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agreed. ,much more enjoyable now.

Before it was nostalgic championship which was entertaining for having some old school cars running on the track.

Now its a race series and we are getting longer races

the downside is that we have lost a lot of the ability to watch minis compete with Ford GTHOs. because the flaws in the GTHO have been fixed (and we are not destrying expensive bits of nostalgia either
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(and we are not destrying expensive bits of nostalgia either
The appendix j series wasnt for original cars either.
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Terry, you are correct about the beast. I forgot about the rally cross cars.

The XU-2 "prototype" though was never an LJ V8.

The only time Holden ever used XU-2 was on an LH styling exercise:

http://oldholden.com/node/110520


Incorrect, the XU2 name was on the LJ V8 styling exercise car (Barney's shirt) put together by Leo Pruneau. Leo wanted the car called the XU2 & Holden reassigned that option code in readiness for it's use. Leo named the gtr-xu1 so he had the clout.

Interesting Barney's Shirt has survived, owned by Larry Kavanagh now. The pink LJ GTR V8 prototype seems to have survived also (all 3 prototypes were actually gtr's). The orange one was stolen in the mid 80's. The white one god knows where it is.
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Incorrect, the XU2 name was on the LJ V8 styling exercise car (Barney's shirt) put together by Leo Pruneau. Leo wanted the car called the XU2 & Holden reassigned that option code in readiness for it's use. Leo named the gtr-xu1 so he had the clout.

Interesting Barney's Shirt has survived, owned by Larry Kavanagh now. The pink LJ GTR V8 prototype seems to have survived also (all 3 prototypes were actually gtr's). The orange one was stolen in the mid 80's. The white one god knows where it is.
Redzone, i'd love to see the styling car of Leo Pruneau's that you mentioned. I've seen numerous images of LJ clay models/styling exercises and have never seen XU-2 on any of them.

Also there is a minor flaw with your explanation. Leo Pruneau was still working for Vauxhall in 1970 when the GTR XU-1 was released, so he could not have been responsible for it's naming. He did not move to Holden until 1971. The LJ was the first Torana he put his stamp on. Interestingly the HB Viva (on which the Torana is based) was all his own work.

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agreed. ,much more enjoyable now.

Before it was nostalgic championship which was entertaining for having some old school cars running on the track.

Now its a race series and we are getting longer races

the downside is that we have lost a lot of the ability to watch minis compete with Ford GTHOs. because the flaws in the GTHO have been fixed (and we are not destroying expensive bits of nostalgia either
Ohhhhhhhh? (dice not with anything of a Phase nature here, but you get the idea)

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What would be cool to see would be someone else driving Mr Bowe's Mustang Sally next season, and he moves to a different brand of car.

Would then shut down a lot of noise around that the car is simply too quick... when in reality the pilot is definitely in full sync with that old girl..

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