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Old 2 Oct 2017, 06:57 (Ref:3771179)   #31
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Some factors to consider;

The commercial model under which a country/circuit hold F1 is fundamentally broken and unsustainable,

Current F1 is essentially a marketing tool for most host countries and at some point interest in, and desirability of, it ends.

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Old 2 Oct 2017, 17:38 (Ref:3771336)   #32
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The track is good, but there was never any enthusiasm from the locals. Too many empty grandstands. So can't say I'll miss it too much
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 02:11 (Ref:3771659)   #33
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I didn't get terribly current with F1 until the 2000 season, and it was a few more years before I saw the Malaysian GP. As such, my perception of the Sepang Circuit is perhaps less colored in a certain light than it is for some people.

Apart from the Turn 7-8 combination and the Turn 9 hairpin, the overall flow at Sepang is very good. Also, the circuit came in before the love affair with paved run-off took hold. Furthermore, this track has some uniqueness lacking in a number of Tilke's more recent designs, and Tilke also hasn't really ever "copied" anything from Sepang to his later designs.

Yes, there are other circuits I like better, but it's certainly one of the best "modern" courses out there. It ranks first or second in my book among Tilke's clean-sheet designs, up there with Istanbul. The others I feel should be mentioned as top "modern", F1-capable circuits are probably Algarve and Dubai. If there is a clean-sheet Tilke design that I might like to see F1 try that it hasn't visited already, it would be Buriram.

Sepang also wasn't thrown into a scenario like the Nurburgring GP Strecke, where that course is in the shadow of the Nordschleife, and was introduced while F1 still had the old Kyalami, Osterreichring, Zandvoort, full Paul Ricard, Brands Hatch GP, etc. on the calendar.

So, yeah, I'd definitely prefer a calendar with Sepang on it than one without, especially while F1 is still running at Shanghai, Abu Dhabi, Austin, and Bahrain. And don't get me started on how Tilke butchered Mexico City.
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 06:23 (Ref:3771686)   #34
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The track is good, but there was never any enthusiasm from the locals. Too many empty grandstands. So can't say I'll miss it too much
Do watch the race or the grandstands?

Because in many peoples opinion, the Sepang track is one of the best on the current circuit. And most drivers would agree too. F1 and other. Who cares if there was just 10 people in the stands, as long as the racing was good on TV!
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 11:24 (Ref:3771735)   #35
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Do watch the race or the grandstands?

Because in many peoples opinion, the Sepang track is one of the best on the current circuit. And most drivers would agree too. F1 and other. Who cares if there was just 10 people in the stands, as long as the racing was good on TV!
Atmosphere is important at race circuits, as it adds to the event. And you need demand to keep it going too
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 11:40 (Ref:3771746)   #36
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Do watch the race or the grandstands?

Because in many peoples opinion, the Sepang track is one of the best on the current circuit. And most drivers would agree too. F1 and other. Who cares if there was just 10 people in the stands, as long as the racing was good on TV!
But Formula 1 is not all about the TV viewers - so much more makes a good F1 event.

'The F1 season has been a revenue generator as it doesn’t merely encompass the race; a series of activities, shopping sales, road shows, a charity gala dinner, and public concerts are also common prior to and after the race. Fans also get the opportunity to meet and greet star racers.'

If limited numbers of fans are attending, nothing else in the F1 circus matters.
If it was only about TV viewers then surely the best solution would be to create 18-20ish good tracks in Central Europe?
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 17:11 (Ref:3771822)   #37
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It's a shame that tilke's better circuits end up in places that can't afford the fees Bernie set. I could easily do without Russia, china and Abu dabhi, but it doesn't really work like that.
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Maybe tilke can build a very similar layout for one of the prospective new country GP hosts!!!
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Well he did well with Austin. And that's a great place to hold a GP
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Apart from the fact it doesn't make any money!!

Sepang will be fine, they have MotoGP, which will get a huge crowd due to better links between the country and a few decent Malay riders they have now, plus Honda and Yamaha really push bikes over there, huge market for them.

And the tickets are cheaper, hosting fees far less, so the track can drop the prices a bit.

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Yes, at least MotoGP brings in the crowds, so it's gonna be alright with that series still coming
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Chunterer, your suggestion just highlights another issue many have with the newer tracks in F1, that they're all just too samey. Going from Austin to the Croatia proposal just doesn't seem like a positive step.

The thing you can do is try to incorporate similar kinds of elements in multiple designs, but you've still got to build in a good amount of individuality. About the best comparison I can think of for this would be looking at VIR and Road Atlanta.

Griffin, no I really can't say that I find Austin to be that great. It has some interesting elements, but the way it went together, it just doesn't seem to all fit quite right. And some pieces just seem unnecessary. And you have that one, outlandishly big hill at Turn 1, while signature sections like the Esses and that long right-hander just look so flat and rather featureless, in no small part because of the oceans of paved run-off that take away frames of reference.
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Shame this track will not return.
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Old 6 Oct 2017, 12:35 (Ref:3772291)   #44
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It's funny when you see the calendar from 1985-91. 15 out of 17 GPs of that time are on next season's calendar, showing it's come full circle again
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It's funny when you see the calendar from 1985-91. 15 out of 17 GPs of that time are on next season's calendar, showing it's come full circle again
But how many of the actual venues?
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