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Old 6 Oct 2017, 18:49 (Ref:3772330)   #31
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There are certain events where the low entry numbers don't really make sense. This is one of them. How is it that SRO, which has the ability to pull cars from Blancpain Europe and Asia, has combined with Pirelli World Challenge, which has a decent car list, has managed to pull together such a small grid?

Similar story for the Le Mans Cup in Europe. Blancpain has too many entries to cope with, so has Am series and classes all over the place. 24H Series pulls plenty of GT3 entries. Yet the Le Mans Cup has a tour of some great European circuits, including a very rare chance for a true amateur to race at Le Mans on race day morning...and yet gets about 5 cars.

There are clearly reasons for it, but this race should've pulled more. Of course any number of cars at Laguna Seca is preferable to any number of cars at CoTA, but I don't see why there can't be 30-40 cars at Laguna Seca given the cars involved.
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Old 6 Oct 2017, 23:14 (Ref:3772377)   #32
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There are certain events where the low entry numbers don't really make sense. This is one of them. How is it that SRO, which has the ability to pull cars from Blancpain Europe and Asia, has combined with Pirelli World Challenge, which has a decent car list, has managed to pull together such a small grid?

Similar story for the Le Mans Cup in Europe. Blancpain has too many entries to cope with, so has Am series and classes all over the place. 24H Series pulls plenty of GT3 entries. Yet the Le Mans Cup has a tour of some great European circuits, including a very rare chance for a true amateur to race at Le Mans on race day morning...and yet gets about 5 cars.

There are clearly reasons for it, but this race should've pulled more. Of course any number of cars at Laguna Seca is preferable to any number of cars at CoTA, but I don't see why there can't be 30-40 cars at Laguna Seca given the cars involved.
I think the 8h format is at least part of the problem... doesn't really have much of a ring or history to it, and then it's also a bit on the short side, at least when you expect teams to ship their cars almost halfway around the world.

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Old 7 Oct 2017, 15:21 (Ref:3772472)   #33
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They should have allowed TCR cars.
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Old 7 Oct 2017, 15:49 (Ref:3772478)   #34
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The perception is that a sanctioning body can pull cars from their series and get them to run. That would be like owning a restaurant and pulling part of your customers to go to another across town and that ends up being a 2 hour drive. Sounds great in theory but in reality, you can't force your customers to do it. It's hard enough for a series here in the US that has east and west but decides to have a shootout of east vs west. Unless it pays lots of money, not worth going.

As from the post above, this is a new race and to ship a car over here for an unknown race that's pretty much for fun, is quite the challenge. This is like years ago when they had that Group C vs GTP race in Florida. Sounded great on paper but in the end, it was a dud.

Then you have a 10 hr and 2hr race at Road Atlanta the weekend before which pretty much draws all of the US teams that do endurance racing currently on a consistent basis. If you look at the ones you want for this 8hr race, it's literally the GS and GTD teams. Those teams are finishing up their season and are not going to high tail it clear across the country for rig parking on Wednesday to run a race for fun that means nothing to them whatsoever. Plus, these teams just ran at the track a few weeks ago. It end up costing too much and racers blow lots of money but there's a limit. Out of what's at road Atlanta, one car is going to do the trip.

Then you have the 24hr race in a month. Any GS, GTD, TC, GT, GTS team that is even thinking about it, at least has 3 weeks to prepare. Plus many people have run in the Creventic Series and they like it because the amount they pay vs the amount of race time beats IMSA and PWC hands down. In addition to that, you don't need a massive crew and tons of equipment. You literally race 14 hours on Saturday, park the car for 9 hours and finish up the remaining 10 on Sunday. You don't need any refueling equipment (except for two suited up guys), none of those elaborate crew uniforms either plus the crew gets a break.

Then you have that Creventic race at Spa this weekend. So you have 48 cars there and 12 of them are GT4. It's obvious they will not be doing the 8hr at Laguna.

In the end, a race with no identity and too many other events that do which are running within a month of it. Top it off, I suspect that this 8hr race will not be streaming when it's on CBS sports and who knows what convoluted system IMSA has. So, if you don't have that network, good luck. At least with the Creventic, really good streaming for the whole event.
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Old 9 Oct 2017, 03:00 (Ref:3773113)   #35
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The perception is that a sanctioning body can pull cars from their series and get them to run. That would be like owning a restaurant and pulling part of your customers to go to another across town and that ends up being a 2 hour drive. Sounds great in theory but in reality, you can't force your customers to do it. It's hard enough for a series here in the US that has east and west but decides to have a shootout of east vs west. Unless it pays lots of money, not worth going.

As from the post above, this is a new race and to ship a car over here for an unknown race that's pretty much for fun, is quite the challenge. This is like years ago when they had that Group C vs GTP race in Florida. Sounded great on paper but in the end, it was a dud.

Then you have a 10 hr and 2hr race at Road Atlanta the weekend before which pretty much draws all of the US teams that do endurance racing currently on a consistent basis. If you look at the ones you want for this 8hr race, it's literally the GS and GTD teams. Those teams are finishing up their season and are not going to high tail it clear across the country for rig parking on Wednesday to run a race for fun that means nothing to them whatsoever. Plus, these teams just ran at the track a few weeks ago. It end up costing too much and racers blow lots of money but there's a limit. Out of what's at road Atlanta, one car is going to do the trip.

Then you have the 24hr race in a month. Any GS, GTD, TC, GT, GTS team that is even thinking about it, at least has 3 weeks to prepare. Plus many people have run in the Creventic Series and they like it because the amount they pay vs the amount of race time beats IMSA and PWC hands down. In addition to that, you don't need a massive crew and tons of equipment. You literally race 14 hours on Saturday, park the car for 9 hours and finish up the remaining 10 on Sunday. You don't need any refueling equipment (except for two suited up guys), none of those elaborate crew uniforms either plus the crew gets a break.

Then you have that Creventic race at Spa this weekend. So you have 48 cars there and 12 of them are GT4. It's obvious they will not be doing the 8hr at Laguna.

In the end, a race with no identity and too many other events that do which are running within a month of it. Top it off, I suspect that this 8hr race will not be streaming when it's on CBS sports and who knows what convoluted system IMSA has. So, if you don't have that network, good luck. At least with the Creventic, really good streaming for the whole event.
I agree with most of this. Not sure what imsa streaming has to do with it tho?

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Old 9 Oct 2017, 09:51 (Ref:3773171)   #36
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I agree with most of this. Not sure what imsa streaming has to do with it tho?

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Old 9 Oct 2017, 15:49 (Ref:3773229)   #37
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Because both do a bad job of it. I hope you realize that most of the field are renters and they like it when a race is run where everyone can see it. You have to realize, that things like that sell seats and brings cars to the grid. Only thing that IMSA and PWC does right is that GT4 and TCR will have all of their races streamed during the season and there's no convoluted way you have to watch it. As for GT3, it seems that you need to be part of the club to know how and where to watch. Sometimes it's easy and other times, not so easy or it's some week delay because it needs to be on TV.

I know that the hard core fans could care less about the casual fan, so what I'm talking about doesn't mean much. When you have races where there are 5 classes with 20 cars, there's at least one reason why the interest is not there to have it up to at least 35. Honestly, the Spa 12hr race had the best streaming coverage this weekend. Go to the site, click on one thing and watch away. Pit reporting included. Not, CBS for this period of time, streaming then more CBS. Or like IMSA, in the US, you are out of luck unless you know the secret handshake.

Think about it, if you wrote a $60K check to drive a car, what would you rather have, a short race with less driving time and shifted live coverage or longer race, more driving time and where it's easy for your "sponsors" family and friends can watch whenever they want?
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Old 9 Oct 2017, 19:57 (Ref:3773265)   #38
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Because both do a bad job of it. I hope you realize that most of the field are renters and they like it when a race is run where everyone can see it. You have to realize, that things like that sell seats and brings cars to the grid. Only thing that IMSA and PWC does right is that GT4 and TCR will have all of their races streamed during the season and there's no convoluted way you have to watch it. As for GT3, it seems that you need to be part of the club to know how and where to watch. Sometimes it's easy and other times, not so easy or it's some week delay because it needs to be on TV.

I know that the hard core fans could care less about the casual fan, so what I'm talking about doesn't mean much. When you have races where there are 5 classes with 20 cars, there's at least one reason why the interest is not there to have it up to at least 35. Honestly, the Spa 12hr race had the best streaming coverage this weekend. Go to the site, click on one thing and watch away. Pit reporting included. Not, CBS for this period of time, streaming then more CBS. Or like IMSA, in the US, you are out of luck unless you know the secret handshake.

Think about it, if you wrote a $60K check to drive a car, what would you rather have, a short race with less driving time and shifted live coverage or longer race, more driving time and where it's easy for your "sponsors" family and friends can watch whenever they want?


Couldn't agree more with you on the streaming

Live, free, with on demand IN ADDITION, free

The simple solution is for the SRO just to bring the PWC streaming over to their GT WORLD channel.

Already got a great audience, and I for one enjoy that I can already access British Gt, Blancpain, Blancpain Asia, GT4 series, all on one page



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Old 9 Oct 2017, 20:00 (Ref:3773267)   #39
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I have a feeling that SRO streaming may be going behind a pay wall in the future. I hope not, but I believe that's the plan.
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i live not to far from laguna (3 hours) i can tell you there has been 0 promoting out here. i am in the motorsports loop in terms of employment, and about 30% of the people dont even know this is going on. the other problem i see is the teams in pwc arent really setup for a endurance event like this tbh.
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Couldn't agree more with you on the streaming

Live, free, with on demand IN ADDITION, free

The simple solution is for the SRO just to bring the PWC streaming over to their GT WORLD channel.

Already got a great audience, and I for one enjoy that I can already access British Gt, Blancpain, Blancpain Asia, GT4 series, all on one page
Problem is, the GT World channel is geoblocked so US fans can't watch live...
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Problem is, the GT World channel is geoblocked so US fans can't watch live...
You can geo-block individual videos on YouTube, so there is potential for that to be opened up.
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NISMO TV saved us a lot this year. We could catch the main Blancpain endurance feed because of that. Have to get creative with searches to find Blancpain sprint.

One organization that is very good about posting good streams is international GT Open. Creventic too.

Still, I hope some way we can find a means to catch this Laguna 8 hours. But thankfully the CoTA 24 is Creventic run!
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NISMO TV saved us a lot this year. We could catch the main Blancpain endurance feed because of that. Have to get creative with searches to find Blancpain sprint.

One organization that is very good about posting good streams is international GT Open. Creventic too.

Still, I hope some way we can find a means to catch this Laguna 8 hours. But thankfully the CoTA 24 is Creventic run!


I'm all for free to access coverage to motor racing. Show me adverts fine, but don't put up a pay wall, it just encourages people to look for way round it. Advertising before, during and after a race as long as it isn't too excessive never puts anyone off


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