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Old 2 Oct 2017, 18:27 (Ref:3771343)   #31
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Old 2 Oct 2017, 18:37 (Ref:3771348)   #32
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The best wet weather driver by some margin is Lewis. Alonso, Max and the Hulk are also very adept and so it seems is Sainz.

Most of the others are a bit more hesitant.
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Old 3 Oct 2017, 11:49 (Ref:3771495)   #33
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The cognitive dissonance on this forum is quite staggering at times...
I might agree with you if I understood the statement....!
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Old 3 Oct 2017, 12:53 (Ref:3771501)   #34
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I was talking about this illusion that Mercedes was somehow... 'struggling' or behind Ferrari in terms of performance.
That, to me, is quite staggering, yet may provide some data towards science to aid in research of this theory of 'alternate realities'.
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Old 3 Oct 2017, 13:59 (Ref:3771510)   #35
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I think that the last clear example is 1995, but not by much.
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Old 3 Oct 2017, 15:17 (Ref:3771525)   #36
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Old 3 Oct 2017, 17:43 (Ref:3771560)   #37
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I was talking about this illusion that Mercedes was somehow... 'struggling' or behind Ferrari in terms of performance.
That, to me, is quite staggering, yet may provide some data towards science to aid in research of this theory of 'alternate realities'.
It must have been, otherwise how do you explain Vettel winning? There is no way a drive of his low talent could win unless Ferrari had such a high performance advantage.

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Old 3 Oct 2017, 17:45 (Ref:3771561)   #38
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I find it adorable that people would go through such mental gymnastics to believe that the team that leads both championships would be 'struggling'. Some people will actually make up an alternative reality to confirm their own biases.
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Old 3 Oct 2017, 19:46 (Ref:3771578)   #39
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I find it adorable that people would go through such mental gymnastics to believe that the team that leads both championships would be 'struggling'. Some people will actually make up an alternative reality to confirm their own biases.
Agree.

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is it confirmation bias or is it that this forum has just become increasingly hostile over the past few months and people are less willing to have honest and open conversations about things?

regardless of whether you think the Merc is better than Ferrari or vice verse, the Merc is certainly not 118 constructor points better.

anyways, im not on one side or the other but i can certainly see where people are coming from on the Ferrari side.

and 5 races left to go, 125 points for the drivers title still up for grabs, engines are getting used up and and fortune can change very quickly.

anyways long rant short, regardless of who wins i think there is a legitimate argument to be made that the other title protagonist had the better car but just made more mistakes/had worse luck.
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Old 3 Oct 2017, 23:12 (Ref:3771630)   #41
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is it confirmation bias or is it that this forum has just become increasingly hostile over the past few months and people are less willing to have honest and open conversations about things?
I think the two items you bring up are separate, but can be intertwined. To try to answer your questions...

Is if confirmation bias? Maybe? In some cases, probably? Particularly with outlandish claims. It's always hard to know what is going in inside someone else's head. Especially in a forum like this.

Has the forum become more hostile and is people being shouted down? I have been here since 2009 (longer than some and shorter than others) and my opinion is that it ebbs and flows and pretty much fully tracks with the personalities of those who post frequently. Visit other parts of the forum and just watch the personalities at play. The F1 forum is no different.

Regarding openness... I can only speak for myself. I am not self censoring, but I AM trying to remain positive, fair, not unfairly negative or contrary, but still critical (when needed) in my replies. I enjoy a good discussion, but not arguments. As they say... attack the post and not the poster!

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regardless of whether you think the Merc is better than Ferrari or vice verse, the Merc is certainly not 118 constructor points better.
Matter of opinion. Remember that the points are a reflection of the season as a whole. My opinion is that both Ferrari have had their ups and down, but that in general Mercedes "on average" is a much better package overall. I absolutely don't believe the theory that Ferrari is overall better and it is purely down to driver talent that has put Mercedes ahead.

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anyways, im not on one side or the other but i can certainly see where people are coming from on the Ferrari side.

and 5 races left to go, 125 points for the drivers title still up for grabs, engines are getting used up and and fortune can change very quickly.

anyways long rant short, regardless of who wins i think there is a legitimate argument to be made that the other title protagonist had the better car but just made more mistakes/had worse luck.
Ultimately it is why we have a points system. Outside of those points we can argue this twelve different ways and we may not agree as a group who is best, worst or otherwise.

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Old 4 Oct 2017, 02:51 (Ref:3771664)   #42
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I'm sorry I can't accept this as everyone here is structured and rational in their thinking and I cannot reconcile this with your statement.

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is it confirmation bias or is it that this forum has just become increasingly hostile over the past few months and people are less willing to have honest and open conversations about things?
I think there's a lot more fanboys than there used to be, or maybe that's just my perception. I don't think it's possible to have a conversation about Max Verstappen at all, as he's never ever at fault. Similarly, many conversations about Vettel just turn nonsensical and criticise him for things like speaking Italian. I think these sorts of discussions (or lack of) mean that when it comes to other topics, perhaps tolerances are shorter - and I am perhaps guilty of that too

I do agree with you that the Mercedes is perhaps not 118 points better. But people were generally reply to the comments of the Mercedes being behind the Ferrari, or potentially being behind the Ferrari (some are actually predicting the future now to confirm their own biases!). It might not be 118 points better, but some of the claims being made are the F1 equivalent to the flat-earth society in that it's hard to form a good answer, given how crazy the claim is. I could claim the Mercedes is actually worse than the McLaren, but Lewis (and Bottas) are just so far ahead of everyone else that they make up for it - but I would expect to be ridiculed for it.
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Old 4 Oct 2017, 10:45 (Ref:3771724)   #45
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Is there even such thing as "the best car". I would think the relative performances of the cars tend to shift from track to track, depend on weather conditions, are influenced by the strength/weaknesses of the engine, and most likely the tire make or tire compounds play a role as well.

Apart from the McLaren-Honda of 1988 I can't really think of a single car that was dominant in all different circumstances.
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