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Old 8 Oct 2017, 16:20 (Ref:3773026)   #31
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Taxi645. I agree. Massa should have got well out of the way on the last lap...Ruined a great finish. He should know better...but with a Merc engine in the Williams.....Just go and "retire" once and for all....Actually looking at the whole scenario of that race, if Bottas hadn't have "held" Max as well, we would have had a different 1...2..
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Old 8 Oct 2017, 17:03 (Ref:3773042)   #32
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Actually looking at the whole scenario of that race, if Bottas hadn't have "held" Max as well, we would have had a different 1...2..
I doubt that. Valtteri held Lewis up for a couple of laps, then Max for a couple more. He's got his own race to drive and he seemed to be doing that. After all, he's now got a sniff of second in the WDC.
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Old 8 Oct 2017, 17:38 (Ref:3773047)   #33
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I noticed that Massa lost half of his coat hanger at some point during the race.

To add to the Ferrari conspiracy theories, they parked Vettel's car in Kimi's side of the garage.
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Old 8 Oct 2017, 18:54 (Ref:3773058)   #34
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To add to the Ferrari conspiracy theories, they parked Vettel's car in Kimi's side of the garage.

Was that just an 'oops'.....?
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Old 8 Oct 2017, 22:20 (Ref:3773089)   #35
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To add to the Ferrari conspiracy theories, they parked Vettel's car in Kimi's side of the garage.
I'm sure the Ferrari pit stops were being done outside Vettel's side of the garage, it makes sense to put his retired car on Kimi's side out of the way of them bringing out tyres etc.
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Old 8 Oct 2017, 23:22 (Ref:3773098)   #36
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I noticed that Massa lost half of his coat hanger at some point during the race.

To add to the Ferrari conspiracy theories, they parked Vettel's car in Kimi's side of the garage.
Just as long it wasn't a repeat of the Raikonnen driving Vettel's car, which is why it was 'retired' before the race started, theory.
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Old 9 Oct 2017, 07:27 (Ref:3773157)   #37
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I find the parallel between the performance development of Red Bull throughout the season this and the previous year remarkable. Starting the season not being able to compete with Ferrari and Mercedes and getting increasingly closer towards the end of the season.

It would be interesting to know the absolute and relative amount of resources of those three teams having gone into the 2018 car (not that we'll ever know of course). Giving this seasons performance development, one would expect Red Bull is putting relatively more resources still into the 2017 car, which would lead one to expect the start of their 2018 campaign to be similar to their 2016 and 2017 one. I hope this is not the case.
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Old 9 Oct 2017, 08:16 (Ref:3773162)   #38
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Another insight into the driver briefing. From Japan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=tPr5khO86Eg
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Old 9 Oct 2017, 09:53 (Ref:3773182)   #39
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Well Ferrari's only hope now is that Lewis is yet to have a DNF, but even then he can afford to have one

Nice to see a hard but fair move from Kevin this time and great chase by Max at the end. Ocon looked good today and Felipe and Fred were quite rightly in their own battle at the end
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So it's pretty safe to say that Ferrari has severe management and prevention processes problems at this point. This kind of failure should not be happening.

Max is so good. Mercedes is so far ahead of all teams it's not even much of a competition.

One thing that stood out yesterday for some reason. There are 4 manufacturers: Mercedes, Ferrari, Renault and Honda. The factory teams for Renault and Honda are squarely in the back of the pack. Ferrari has management issues, as mentioned above. It really is effectively a one make series right now. Red bull is dragging Renault higher than it rightly should be on the backs of 2 of the top 5 drivers and maybe best chassis.

Another championship for Lewis. Without much competition again.
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Another championship for Lewis. Without much competition again.
Likely, but not certain - and I think since its all been turned round from him being in arrears in the space of 3 races, describing it as "without competition" is an odd conclusion to reach.......
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Likely, but not certain - and I think since its all been turned round from him being in arrears in the space of 3 races, describing it as "without competition" is an odd conclusion to reach.......
It's really been competition with one other car, that lasted 3/4 of a season, that was consistently a few tenths slower most of the year. So "without much competition" may be better.

Also, at Austria the commentators were talking about Ferrari maybe using oil in their fuel mixture and some aero pieces being beyond the rules and having to correct both of those. Ever since then, they have been a little weaker.
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At the start Hamilton made exactly the same chop across the front of Vettel as Vettel did to Verstappen in Singapore, but strangely no controversy?
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At the start Hamilton made exactly the same chop across the front of Vettel as Vettel did to Verstappen in Singapore, but strangely no controversy?
We all tend to judge events more on the outcome, rather than the action. It's not right, of course, but it's how we all tend to do it.
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Lewis was fully ahead anyway
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